The Challenger 2 tank going to Ukraine is a tank killer.
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Posted Jan 14, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC · locked
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Apparently these things are incredibly durable, I read that one was hit by huge numbers of RPGs in Iraq and just continued fighting.
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The armor on a Challenger is supposed to be something new.
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There's a few variations of Chobham armour developed but there's no way they would risk putting the latest armour or tech on the challengers being sent to Ukraine. Whatever they'll send will be 3 or 4 generations behind the current and they'd have already developed weapons to defeat it.
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It's not. Sorry to burst everyones bubble but conceptually, the armor is more or less the same as it was decades ago. Not saying that it's bad by any means but it ain't something space-age.
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I believe chobham was developed in the 70s, but it’s far better than anything a Russian tank has.
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Reactive armour, if I’m not mistaken.
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Hell the only one that ever got taken down was down to friendly fire and an incredibly lucky hit on the open commanders hatch!
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It still needs to be used with discipline and caution.
There are a lot of burned out Ruzzian tanks because their crews thought they were invincible
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If used with correct doctrine. Dont get the wunderwaffen mindset or youll end up just like crazy ivan.
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Wish they sent more. 12 tanks dont change the outcome of the war.
Maybe this is just a test period, maybe they will send more when there are more Ukrainians that can handle the challenger.
Leopards as well.
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We've only got 250 tanks, 50 are being de-commissioned instead of upgraded to Challenger 3s. These 12 are part of the 50. I wish we could send more but I don't see how thats possible.
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My math says then that is at least 35 more tanks that can be sent over.
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A shitload of countries use t-72s. Might be a good idea to try to buy as many as possible, upgrade the optics and send those. I’d figure some countries would be willing to sell if they’re overpaid.
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12 tanks dont change the outcome of the war.
I couldn't agree more. They need 12 hundred, not 12.
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I think the important thing is we've got the ball rolling (I'm British). Nobody has seemingly wanted to be the first to send MBTs but it's happened now. Excuses are fast running out for everyone else, hopefully Germany fall in line and allow the supply of Leopards from the other countries that operate them.
Also, based on how effectively Ukraine have used HIMARS which were supplied in limited numbers I would strongly recommend not underestimating their ability to utilise even a small number of modern tanks to great effect.
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Challenger 3
These, combined with the new IFVs coming into theater, will make a very exciting spring de-occupation campaign. Now if we can get additional aircraft into this mix, we should see some serious combined arms fireworks.
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Sadly, we don't have many to give. Our tank force is already pretty small (as is our army). Hopefully it will spur others own to send their own tanks and provide training/logistic support for them.
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As many people have said before, its not the numbe of tanks, its what sending the tanks signifies. It should be the key to unlocking a whole more of western weapons
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The only downside is the ammunition. It can not use every standard 120mm afaik
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Sounds like a logistics night nightmare to me
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nah not really the Ukrainians will probably allocate them to one unit most likely a "heavy company" in a Tank Brigade used for breakthrough assaults. The logistics guys just need to keep that one company supplied with ammunition the engines run on diesel so fuel and lubricants are easily available.
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We keep hearing that from Russia's supporters about tanks, airplanes, anything.
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Dead giveaway.
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All tanks are for both killing tanks and supporting infantry. Challenger 2 is a fine MBT, but it's not conceptually different from any other.