Legitimate players of Lost Ark banned due to error, will be reverted
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forums.playlostark.comPosted Jan 15, 2023, 8:29 AM UTC
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forums.playlostark.comAt this point it's too late as they "wanted" to apply those bans as told in https://www.mmorpg.com/news/lost-ark-confirms-large-scale-bot-bans-as-some-request-restrictions-be-lifted-2000127067 and other sites but backfired affecting normal players as well. If you care to search that site, or any MMO news site, for past news, Lost Ark has a bad reputation of previous Bans, Reversal of in-game mechanisms and other things so anyone should think twice before touching that game ever again.
I wonder if the reaction wouldn't be this big, will they ever consider reverting it? There is no error in bans (they coded it that way) but in their judgement on what to apply bans for (their unstable ground) all the way along.
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This is what you get when you trust John Smedley.
Fucking guy should be lucky to be a used car salesman.
Any SWG player could have and probably did predict this shit when Amazon put him in charge of their gaming studio.
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This is what you get when you trust John Smedley.
I mean, I agree with the sentiment but I don't think Smedley had any involvement with Lost Ark. He wasn't in charge of their entire gaming division, he was in charge of a small team based in San Diego (many of which he brought with him from his spin-off studio years prior). They were working on new, unannounced projects.
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Besides, he stepped down 3 days ago and this ban came after that.
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Seeing stuff like this just makes me glad I finally swore off MMOs after Destiny 2 decided to sunset gear and weapons. Tired of MMOs not respecting players time, insane FOMO baked into everything, seasonal battlepass crap, and making it so you either play the game as a full time job or get left in scrubland, and constantly just shitting all over balance. 1100 hours into warframe and 700 into destiny 2 and I wish I had that time back
Not about to get burned by another MMO
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1100 hours into warframe
Yeah... the only purpose I found in that game was grinding to unlock new weapons just to I could grind more to unlock new weapons.
Also, I hate their level design, it's needlessly convoluted, and everything looks like plastic. I thought that would change after so long but no, that's the design aesthetic they actually want.
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Yeah... the only purpose I found in that game was grinding to unlock new weapons just to I could grind more to unlock new weapons
Pretty much. It's got some cool frames to play around with like Nidus and Mesa and some of the endgame stuff was challenging and you can have some wildly powerful synergies and setups with frames and weapons that are fairly tricky to pull off but eventually you get strong enough that it's all pretty trivial or just a complete grind fest. I made it to MR25 and basically never touched it again.
The thing that killed me was they would release cool ass frames and weapons and then anything strong got nerfed to shit which is ridiculous in a PVE game
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I am a beta supporter of warframe, got the bages and everything. I played off and on over the years and experienced most of the major nerfs and changes up to about 3 years ago. I decided that there is no point in grinding weapons just so I can grind more weapons and haven't touched it since.
Every now and then I come across a video for the game and I think that looks kind of neat and think about getting back into it. But then I remember how much of a chore it is to navigate all the content in the game when a new patch invalidated how an older patch did things and it's just a fucking mess. I'm getting frustrated typing this now.
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That's the thing though, I've played MMOs through peaks and valleys but eventually, you always get burned
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Similar-ish story. I put so many hours into Path of Exile. Not sure how many but well over 1k.
I don't "wish I had that time back", I enjoyed most of it. All the same, somewhere in there I stopped having fun and the game became more of a time sink. Took me longer to recognize than it should have, but I quit and haven't looked back.
That game was, I think, my only serious foray outside of single player games in well over a decade. The way that the game slowly but consistently crept into needing to have all of my time to be fun really cemented my single player only sentiment.
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Back then when I was playing LA I got banned I bot wave too, because I was lagging Amazon software flagged me as speed hacking bot.
They lift my ban after 16h but bad taste left.
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So this turned out to be real, I've seen so many posts claiming people were being banned but not everyone was affected, so I was wondering if it was a hoax.
Wow, this game.
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the aim is to ban inactive accounts.
this way you can 'truthfully' say 100% of the playerbase are active.
Otherwise they have to admit 90% of lost ark and somewhere around 95% of New World players are inactive.
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the aim is to ban inactive accounts.
The aim (and I'm not defending the action at all) was to ban accounts that could potentially be bot refresher accounts. There's a reason not every inactive account, not based on date nor play time, was caught in the garbage-fire.
Otherwise they have to admit 90% of lost ark and somewhere around 95% of New World players are inactive.
Literally no game cares about this as a metric. If you want to display total interest, you share total sign-ups or accounts created, and if you want to share activity you use daily/monthly active users.
A percentage of active users to total accounts is almost entirely meaningless.
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it never had to make sense. it just had to be "enough" to fool a few more people into buying the game. Once you have their money, screw 'em all. etc
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Keep in mind they also fucked up during the December ban wave, although on a much lesser scale, they acknowledged the problem on their forums and said people would be unbanned without having to send a ticket, yet a ton of people are still awaiting to get unbanned and AGS has gone silent.
So this is the second time in a month, and last time they said they would handle it, they didn't. So keep that in mind.
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Remember this next time someone claims a developer's systems are perfect and all bans are justified.
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They really need to stop calling incompetence an error.
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damage done, bridges burned.
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What a shitshow
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Cuess they had to make room for more bots, must be about 40% of the playerbase.
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I already removed it from my account. Never returning due to this bullshit and just a plain mindless game.
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Dmg has been done
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Amazon got caught trying to game the numbers.
basically they wanted to claim 100% of their userbase were active players by banning the 90%+ of 'inactives'.
they done got caught and are trying to run damage control as they were about to do the same crap with New World and reveal just how nearly-dead NW actually is.
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That conspiracy would only make sense if you couldn't just google the steamchart page and see New World has 40k (How? Did it get better 0.o) and Lost Ark has like 180k (Also surprising to me but less so than New World)
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Well, with this news out, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is going online to see if they were banned too, or to see just how empty the world is. Really depends on what stats you are quoting.
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It's steamcharts and that's the amount of people online at any time so the game probably has a million active players just in NA/EU alone. Really doubt a million people downloaded the game to see if they were banned when they can just check thier steam profile.
I mean I hated Lost Ark and found it very boring but it's clearly a very popular game.
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Easier to just check steam bans
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I played the game, and never understood the hype behind it, it is just one big grind fest. I don't mind being banned.
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Except that because it puts a Game Ban on your Steam Profile, this has ramifications that go beyond the game.
Dedicated servers can run server tools that check for game bans and will block access to them, CS:GO and Dota 2 uses Trust Factor which almost certainly takes game bans into account to rate how likely you are to be a cheater, and you have plain old online harassment in your steam profile from people wanting to dogpile on cheaters.
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My friend got banned on Blessed online for just chatting in-game how bad his char was. He said it fcked up his steam account and had to create a new one for some of his games. Maybe this was the reason.
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Devs shouldn't have this power. I think best way to control this would be allow first/third party Anti-cheat software like VAC or EAC to have access to show it on your profile. But a certain threshold should be met for third party AC. For example, if you get caught two or three times with Easy Anti Cheat then it should be displayed on your profile.
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banned on Blessed online
oof, and out of all games it had to be the trashfire that is bless online
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Why would anyone leave their profile comments open to the public like that lmao
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As always, it's the victim's fault!
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never understood the hype behind it, it is just one big grind fest.
It's an ARPG and an MMO......not sure what you were expecting to be honest?
Are you not familiar with the genres?
Plently of things to complain about, regarding the game. But i feel "being grindy" is half the reason people play these type of games. I know it is for me.
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It was the first one for me but my friends were so hyped about it.
I can understand the grind side in reasonable portions. I am playing WoW sometimes (not a lot but played more 10y ago) but it is an entirely different system. In WoW you are more excited about X dropping some item that you want, while lost ark was more like I hope X will not fail so I don't have to grind it again tomorrow. I haven't played that much Lost Ark but I would say the grind in it is waaaaay more than WoW.
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It's an exploitative mobile game, poorly dressed up in a PC games clothing.
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It's nothing like that
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What makes this a mobile game? I played it on Steam/desktop just fine.
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Yes it is. It absolutely is.
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A lot of games are based on grinding, but not all of them are boring. When I played Lost Ark I was amazed by how boring the game was despite being a high quality work with tons of content. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but the progression really felt meaningless to me.
In any case, the problem here is that the ban is displayed in your Steam account with big red letters.
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I wish it was a grindfest since that's what i'm into.
It's a timegate mmo. That is you do 1 or 2 dungeons and your locked out for the rest of the day/week. Just another attempt to use FOMO to keep people playing cuz "ohh no i'm going to miss my daily dungeon"
If I could grind forever like Path of Exile i'd probably have played it.
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You're supposed to make 6 characters and do the dungeons on all of them, and the daily quests, and the waiting at islands or whatever, and your daily pvp matches, and your daily trash dungeons, and...
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Yah that was the other thing that killed it for me instantly. First i'm locked out on my main character from doing what I want. Then i'm suppose to play a bunch of side characters I don't even want to play? No thanks.
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But will they revert the bans on people steam profile as well?
in another thread here someone reported a dev ban being revoked also applies to the steam account
I instantly thought of someone...
Antwan