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sakattack

How do you teach yourself math?

How does r/math go about teaching yourselves higher level maths? I am a huge proponent for classroom teaching but at some point, I know it needs to become more personal and investigational (not a word, I don't think). I know there are many of you with advanced math degrees, so how did you guys/gals go about leaving the classroom environment and start to self-teach? Do you have suggestions? Any difficulties? I'll post my experience with self-teaching to start.

Recently, I began to teach myself measure theory on my way to working on measure theoretic probability. I asked a few of my professors for book recommendations and I got the classics on PDFs (Rudin, Folland, Royden). What I have been doing is essentially just following Folland word for word and trying to do all of his exercises. It isn't just mindless copying mind you, I am actively thinking about the definitions/propositions/theorems as well as using the other books and online resources for clarification or more background. As for the exercises, I found some answers to one's that stumped me online as well as emailing my professors (I'm studying abroad in Argentina for the semester, so I don't have anyone to immediately talk to). So far, I think it's been going great. I am able to mentally picture how everything works together, why things are important, and what is necessary in proofs. I am trying really hard to understand every aspect of a proof rather than just take the author's word for it. I am trying to get a really solid grasp on measures, measurable functions, and Lebesgue integration. That way, I can really dig into measure theoretic probability, ergodic theory, functional analysis, and more. I am more approaching this to prepare myself for any advanced analysis classes.

So, what experiences and advice do you guys have for self-teaching higher level maths?

Posted Sep 24, 2012, 6:16 PM UTC

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adamaa•

Two things have really helped me in learning math(s) by myself:

  1. Just read the definitions/discussions. Try to deduce the theorems and such by yourself. This helps immensely in understanding and remembering why things are true.

  2. Start a Math(s) blog. It's amazing how much more you force yourself to understand something when you have to write for/teach to someone else.

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fozzyfreakingbear•

Yeah, I'm taking calculus finally and loving it. It doesn't always click immediately though, and usually to get over the proverbial hump, I have to attempt to teach someone else. Usually I end up teaching both myself, and someone else.

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[deleted]•

The blog idea sounds brilliant. I tried it once with one field I tried getting into, and individuals in that field scoffed at the idea. So now I'll try it again, and maybe this time I'll stick with it whether anyone scoffs or not.

Never trust the experts, always question their premise.

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[deleted]•

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[deleted]•

Oh I did. That's an old part of my life I don't deal with any more. I was a dick, they were dicks, it was just a big dickfest. No fun for most parties involved.

Perhaps where I'm at now will turn out better. I'm making more of an attempt at things even though it's been a rocky start.

I hope I can relearn my math skills though. I'm working on it. Just started the blog thing tonight, did some rumination, then a quick rundown of derivatives before I sink into tangent lines and the other low-end calc intro stuff. Been a long time and the little I did have was taught by an English teacher (yay, keep under-funding schools you cheap neonazis!)

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

If you feel comfortable enough, post the link here :)!

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D4N_•

For theorems with a lot of conditions I will often try to apply/prove the theorem with one of them missing and see where the whole thing falls down.

This really helps in understanding the proof better and remembering the conditions of the theorem.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Definitely! I always mark a point in the proof where the condition is being fired as well. I remember in my metric spaces class last year, one of our assignments was to look at Dini's theorem and why each condition was necessary. There were only three assumptions, but looking at them in that aspect helped to understand the theorem so much more.

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[deleted]•

What be easier is finding a counter example for the theorem which does not satisfy one of the conditions.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

that's pretty much the same thing though. without on of the assumptions, you can find counterexamples, which is what we had to do! Counterexamples are an amazing way to understand the material!

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SantyClause•

Three words: definitions, definitions, definitions. Read these over and over and over. Once you have those down, start going through theorems and see if you can figure the proofs out yourself. Get stumped.

Then look at the theorem and proof and see how every part of the hypothesis is used in the proof. This will help you see why the theorem is defined as it is, why certain conditions must be met for the theorem to be true, etc.

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Amadiro•

Whenever I start investigating a new subject, I usually make a LaTeX file that I keep writing the most important (or all, if possible) definitions into, so that I can always have them handy as beautifully rendered PDF file -- not that I actually look at it very often, but the act of texing it down helps me remember them better, similarly to how others suggest writing blog entries.

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[deleted]•

This is something a lot of people don't get... Reading a book isn't going to do you much good. Do problems, as many as you can get your hands on.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Agreed, however, I read math texts/sites/wikipedia articles all the time. I don't expect to get much knowledge from it, but it opens up my eyes to new maths, ideas, and proofs. I love it. But if I ever wanted to learn something, I would definitely do as many theorems and problems as I possibly could, then replicate, replicate, replicate.

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pzone•

Yes, this. My advisor answered when I asked him the same question: to learn a new subject, pick a good book, read through it page by page, then do every last exercise in it. When you are done, you will know the material.

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[deleted]•

If you are reading a math textbook, almost every paragraph is either a definition, which you need to read to understand the problem, a problem in itself (a theorem) or a solution to the problem. I agree that you should do problems, but you should definitely read the book and think really hard about theorems.

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quattro•

I think he/she was referring to the fact that reading alone will not do much good.

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DFractalH•

Your approach seems to work well. What you should supplement this with is to get somebody else to check on your solutions, and to have somebody to talk to about the things you are studying - human knowledge aqcuisition is, for the most part, a communal process, not a singular one.

Edit: Typos.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

This is great advice, but alas, nothing I can do for the next few months. However, when I get back, I plan on conversing with my professors as much as I can. I typically live in my math department during the week and am quite close with my professors, so there's always someone around I can run a question by or ask a question to. Thanks for the advice, I totally agree!

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AMathmagician•

While you're abroad, check out http://math.stackexchange.com/. It's a great resource for getting a question answered about something that stumps you, and you can help answer other people's questions about things you understand.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

I've never really browsed stackexchange, I'm gonna start from now on!! Thank you for the suggestion.

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peecatchwhoGrad School Panelist•

I taught myself Abstract Algebra over this past summer and there are a few things I think helped:

  1. I REALLY wanted to learn it. I basically had to learn it for the GRE I'm taking in October. I had lots of motivation, and every day I sat down with a couple of books and read them a little bit at a time.

  2. I had a good system of learning. I was studying out of a GRE book initially, mainly because that gave me a good outline of what I needed to know for the test. I started with that book and made flashcards of definitions, because that's a large part of Abstract Algebra... and I would do them until I knew the definitions.

  3. I used good textbooks to get good ideas of the proof techniques used in Abstract Algebra, and then I would try to develop proofs myself once I got a good idea of how they went, mainly because I already knew the definitions at that point. I paid attention to the proofs, and did many exercises out of the books.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

I think wanting to learn and having a good system are about 80% of the requirements to successfully self-teach. Good look on the GRE!

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peecatchwhoGrad School Panelist•

Thanks! It has really helped a ton!

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therndoby•

If you have strong proof ability and understanding of analysis, i would suggest inquiry based learning. I learned real analysis this way and feel i have a really good understanding of the subject. The idea behind it is you get the definitions and are asked to prove the theorems in succession. It may be difficult to jump into the middle of the material (as measure theory is the last chapter), but it is a good way to get a deep understanding in a subject

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Cool suggestion, thanks!

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desheModel Theory•

Before I start reading a textbook I usually skim it, paying attention to definitions and how they're used in theorems, but skipping all and most non-trivial stuff. Sketching stuff out and how they interplay.

I believe one day of skimming before starting to actually read would be enough for a book like Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis. I haven't read Folland but I assume it's of a similar magnitude.

That way, when I actually read the book thoroughly I have a better understanding of the work frame, and I find it easier to commit to the text when I know where it's heading, and what's the significance and role of every entity in discussion.

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inspired2apathy•

Slowly

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Reddit1990•

idk, I just go to the library and pick up a book. Reading a tensor analysis book right now. It can be hard, but as long as you look up parts you are confused about and or reread it until you understand it then you shouldn't have issues. Most people get stuck when they dont understand something and they skip it... BAD BAD BAD. You will come across it again and in more detail, so never skip anything you dont understand.

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two_if_by_sea•

If I followed this policy, I'd still be reading this one page in Calculus on Manifolds I came across 15 years ago...

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Reddit1990•

lol, well I think in an ideal world you would want to understand everything you're reading before moving on to material that builds upon that which you previously studied. If you dont then when you reach the end of the line you will likely be lost at what to do next as a researcher... or at least I would imagine you'd be lost. I can't say for sure because I haven't gotten that far.

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esmoothDifferential Geometry•

I guess everyone learns differently but I disagree completely. I've never been successful in taking a linear approach to reading a math book. Besides it being difficult to understand everything, it's too easy to miss the forest for the trees in this method. I often skip things that I may not understand completely because they will appear later in a different context. Then with this new context in mind you can go back to where it first popped up and this can help illuminate the initial discussion.

I also think it's a huge mistake to skip exercises. I've often fell victim to casually reading through a book, thinking I understand everything but then a exercise shows a gap or misunderstanding I had.

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Reddit1990•

Yeah I agree with the exercise part. Most of the time I dont want to get a piece of paper because I'm lazy, but I would still recommend doing them. I guess Im a hypocrite in that regard lol.

As long as you understand those things eventually I dont see an issue with skipping around. Theres no right or wrong way as long as you learn the material. I do find myself skipping ahead actually, but only to skim the material out of curiousity. I don't sit down and try to thoroughly understand something without thoroughly understanding the thing which it is built upon.

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[deleted]•

I agree, if you get really stuck it is often very helpful to read on a bit. It is also often very helpful to read another version of the same theorem/proof, so alternate books can be really helpful. There is no reason to just stare at the same paragraph until you understand it (or inadvertently ignite it or something), sometimes context helps and sometimes a different view helps.

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euler69•

I'm not sure where I read this, but some big-time mathematician (I want to say Newton) would teach himself by reading out of math books, and when he got to a part he didn't understand, he would just start the whole book over from the beginning.

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Reddit1990•

I think that's very wise.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

So you just read it, or do you do exercises and problems, too?

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Reddit1990•

Hm, well to be completely honest I usually skip over the exercises. Especially if I feel like I know the material well enough to continue. I might skim them and if one seems interesting I'll work through it.

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M_Bus•

Wow, I'm actually interested in picking up some Measure Theory so I can tackle some graduate level measure theoretic statistics. I've been out of school for a while now, though, so I didn't have a lot of professors to ask for help.

Someone pointed me to this book, which seems to be extremely rigorous, but if you know any other good resources I'd love to hear them?

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Awesome! As mentioned, Rudin, Folland, and Royden are the gold standards of measure theory, at least from what I have heard from professors and the internet. I'm sure other people have found other good ones! Another few I somewhat enjoy are Capinski and Kopp and Dudley, as those are more based on developing probability theory. Two of my professors also suggested Billingsley, though I have not really had a good chance to look at it yet. They suggested that one to me after I specifically told them I want to learn measure theory for its own right as well as onto developing probability theory. What is your background in terms of analysis/topology? Also, I am teaching myself basic measure theory (measures, integration, L^p spaces), then I think that should be enough to look into advanced probability. Feel free to PM me if you need some help finding some of these books! I prefer approaching this from the pure math side, so mathematical statistics gets a bit too dense for me, but either way, I would look at probability then try to apply it to statistics, especially at a graduate level. But who am I to be doling out advice?!

*Edit: supplied a bit more context.

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heapface•

Yup same here. I recently started teaching myself math (Calc 2) at home and I do have real exams on it, just like at school. I asked my teachers for book recomendations, CD's, PDF's, worksheets, the whole lot. If you don't have access to work sheets, Google them, you will be amazed how many excercises you will find on a topic and putting "excercises" or "questions" after it: logarithm excercises

Take as many notes as you can, and when you do, always take down examples. Something that has also helped me, and that has been mentioned here, is, when taking notes, pretend you're writing it for someone else. Your brain will try and take in more info and you'll learn more... it's crazy :)

Lastly, don't give up. :)

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ChalkCheese•

I am a college engineering student, so what I am about to say may not mesh with higher mathematics, but for me this works. I have taken your basic Calculus circuit including I,II,III I have also taken ODE as well as PDE. To be honest I feel as if going to class did not really help me as I sat there and did not pay attention. A t then end of the day I learnt the basic therom and then just drove through problem after problem. Nothing worked better for me then just practicing problems.First few may be difficult in a new chapter but once you can grind through the first say 5 you begin to see what you should be looking to do in problems. Im almost sure this works for all lower level math courses as well. Like i said I have not hit the pure/proof based classes that require abstract thinking to solve the problems( which i would love to take someday). Practice problems is all it comes down to for me.

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Yeah, some of the more computational based, even advanced stuff like PDEs, seems to work best this way. Sure, there are a few theorems and propositions you need to know and fire off, but it really is just becoming familiar with the process of solving the problem and being able to manipulate your situation. Proofs can be similar in that the manning in solving the proof can be very mechanical. For example, if you give me some function on some topological/metric space and ask me to prove that it's continuous (maybe it's something easy, like sin(x) or something), then I know I can do some sidework to find the delta that works for my epsilon. However, a lot of times, proofs are more unique than a computational problem.

In both cases, I think the homework is the most important part. For computations, you need to get the patterns down and know the problems inside and out. The same is true for theory; you have to know what assumption is being used when and why.

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laprastransform•

What I like to do is find some result that sounds interesting and you want to understand, and then work backwards until I understand each part of it. You'll learn a lot in the process.

I also am a major proponent of learning at different levels, meaning I usually try and work on an easy thing and a hard thing at the same time. The hard thing pushes you, and increases your mathematical vocabulary and maturity, and the easy thing keeps you motivated, and reminds you why you like math.

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Mensa180•

Do all the problems.

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corporaterebel•
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therndoby•

i refer people i tutor to this all the time. Very useful for up to 200 lvl courses

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madat•

Big upvote, and I can't stress this enough.

Earlier this year I needed an emergency appendectomy. It was inconvenient to go to a hospital, so my wife quickly ran through some of their videos on medical procedures. Within three hours she had my appendix out and I was on the mend. It didn't burst and I pretty much attribute that to Salman Khan.

And NO, I don't think videos are the only way you can learn surgery. Any my wife isn't the typical student (she took a couple of nursing courses in school). But you can't deny these results.

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ruskeeblue•

"Dummy's Guide to Math" or any beginning math book has a great review of things you should have learned while in college. Now that , ahem , Im older and wiser its easier to read it with out any pressure and read it for the sake of understanding it.

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mchaney2•

This is an expensive suggestion (potentially), but I suggest having multiple texts covering the same material. I've been reading up on real analysis using a pdf version of the Rudin book (baby Rudin) and the text written by my old professor from undergrad. When a Rudin proof is over my head I switch over to my professor's book and see if the same topic is covered. It helps to have more than one perspective on the same ideas, especially in the prose explanations of a definition or proof.

Pdf versions are great if you have a tablet, and free if you know where to look.

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CuteFluffyBunny•

I read books for a couple of hours, then I smash my head into the books for a couple of hours.... then I stare at a wall and "invent" my own mathematics... or try to do everything myself.

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Sun_Kami•

Just pick up a book. Say Rudin, so many fanboys of that here.

Go line by line and read. Classes are a waste of time because often professors go too quickly and you won't be able to follow unless you're really good and absorbing information. Get many books, too. Each book is written by a credible professor at some university so it's like having a bunch of professors for the same class, and you can find out which book works best for you.

If you don't understand something, reread it. No pressure.

I see a lot questions like this on r/math and I think you guys need to start to learn to do math, not just talk about.

It's really not that hard. Read a section, do some problems, maybe come here to actually start some goddam threads about math problems when you get stuck. Or you can go to www.artofproblemsolving.com and go to the community forums and actually do some mathematics. Cause here again, you guys just talk about it like it's some goddam philosophy (and yes, it can be regarded as that, but I'm not going to go there).

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sakattackOPErgodic Theory•

Good advice, but I would definitely say that I "know how to do math." You kind missed the point of what this post was about. This was simply a way to share experiences on how people best teach themselves math, as that is a leap from classroom learning. Also, hearing other people's perspectives or ideas helps me approach my learning in different ways. No need for such negativity, discussion is always a good thing.

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Sun_Kami•

Sorry. I was just ranting mindlessly. I hope you find something that works for you

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