Fatal shooting of Hazel Green man Ray King by MCSO deputies still being investigated.
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whnt.comPosted Jan 24, 2023, 4:07 AM UTC
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whnt.comMCSO will decline to release body cam footage and the Madison County DA will decline to press charges. Just like damn near every other police shooting in Madison County.
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They'll release bodycam footage. The footage will start immediately showing King with a gun and end as soon as he's shot. They will omit all footage leading up to that and after that, even if it proves that King could not have known that the people breaking into his house were police.
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It’s honestly laughable that the whole point of body cams is to provide transparency which they love doing when they’re in the right. But they will fight tooth and nail to the death to block said footage to the point of tampering with/destroying evidence when it shows them in the wrong.
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I absolutely love hearing all the gun nuts outrage about a citizen practicing his 2nd amendment rights and being killed for it........oh....right.
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Yeah the “thin blue line” bumper sticker + 2nd amendment bumper sticker combo always confuses me. The police are by far the biggest threat to a lawful weapon carrier.
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I once saw a half Gadsden flag half blue line flag.
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What if I told you there are many Second Amendment supporters who do not agree with the new law concerning the conceal carry doing away with permits?
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I'd tell you that a permit wouldn't have changed this incident one bit, and point out that Alabama's pistol permit laws were a legacy of Jim Crow politics and were re-written specifically to prevent black men from being able to arm themselves in public.
Giving the Sherriff discretion to determine who would or would not qualify for a permit and then requiring a pistol to be unloaded and kept in a locked compartment of the vehicle made black men much more susceptible to being stopped on the road with little fear by the assailants of being injured.
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I wasn’t talking about this specific incident at all in my reply. I was referring to his generalization of people who support the Second Amendment.
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Then skip the opening clause of the first sentence. All the rest still applies.
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The first article about this was posted 17 days ago.
The first article about the Legacy Events shooting was posted 16 days ago.
There have been 3 articles posted to this sub about the Legacy Events shooting since that time. This is the first article posted about Ray King's murder since the one posted 17 days ago.
Good to know that we hold our black teenagers to a higher standard of accountability and scrutiny than the cops.
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200+ rounds fired at a party, 2 people killed, 9 more injured, multiple suspects arrested after the event.....
I'd say there was a lot more to talk about with that one, just for the sheer amount of information to pass on.
There isn't much to say about Ray King's murder because nobody is giving any information. I'm glad to at least have a follow-up article basically saying, "We didn't forget about the cops killing Ray King, we just don't have any new information other than it's an ongoing investigation and 3 deputies are on leave." Why there isn't more public outrage is anyone's guess, but it could very well be linked to cultural differences.
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The fact that there weren't as many articles saying "why do we not know anything yet" is what shows the bias.
Everything you said matters. The fact that people with government authority killed a man in his home matters more.
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I hate to speculate but this sounds like a "Man investigating a suspicious noises at the door at 3AM" situation or something very similar, comes to the door with his guns in hand and gets shot. pretty awful situation regardless and also unfortunately pretty common. biggest mistake the police could have made is if they failed to identify themselves whilst apparently moving onto his property.
the MCSO should have body-cameras as they're a pretty decently funded department
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Cops being cops.
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Where's the outrage? Say his name? Crickets....
Everyone should be outraged about the lack of transparency shown by the police, and the lack of accountability.
I think its disingenuous though to act like this is same thing, that the magnitude is the same. That the history is the same.
Do Madison Co deputies wear body cams? I feel the outrage on this one is being put on pause until at least some kind of statement is put out. They were responding to a domestic disturbance with reports of gun shots. If they came across someone who was armed and who would've obviously recognized them as cops, what happened in that interaction that led them to shoot? What was his demeanor and why did they think he was a threat? Was he completely non-threatening and they too quick to pop off just because they saw a gun? If it was the wrong house, was the right one ever identified and what of the reports of gun fire prior to their arrival? If it actually was the right house, it wouldn't be out of the realm of belief for people who were having a domestic to deny it after the cops show up. These are the details that haven't been made public and I'm actually impressed that people haven't already gotten their torches and pitchforks of public outrage out yet.
They do use body cams
That's what I thought, just couldn't remember from the last time I saw any.
So yeah, when the body cam footage is made public we'll know more. If they clear the deputies but refuse to release the footage, that's when the torches and pitchforks can come out. I'll be there if anyone needs a light.
You haven’t seen many from Madison county because they don’t release them.
Notice how police release the body cam within 2 days when they think it's in their favor? That's how you know they fucked up this time.
Be careful letting that confirmation bias creep in.
It's not up to them to release or withhold that footage at this point. The state is handling the investigation and it's their call...not the county sherif department. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't fuck up, but that'll be for the outside agency investigation to determine. If the investigation shows wrong doing and it goes to trial, any footage will come into play but releasing it pre-trial in that case would serve no purpose other than to whip up the court of public opinion and then giving them a fair trial can be next to impossible.
My opinion: any footage should be made public record in due time. If the investigation determines no wrong doing by the officers, then the footage should become public record. If the footage is used as evidence to charge the officers, then also public record but as as part of the jury trial.
TL/DR: not releasing it yet says nothing about guilt one way or the other.
https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alabamas-investigators-review-2-law-enforcement-shootings-gadsden-madison-county/42424403
You're a fool if you believe that.
It's an incident by the media will downplay in an attempt to bolster the police. Always title manipulating. Not "Ray Dean King murdered by MD Sheriff's Office", just "fatal shooting of man". "Who knows what happened?" they will say. Officers arrived, "the man" just mysteriously turned up shot in the back of the head... no one really knows how.
"The media" does not work that way.
Yes it does... almost every time. As a general rule pretty much all mass media will try to avoid reporting negatively on police, and will soften or otherwise abstract titles and language when they are no other choice to report on negative police activity.
This isn't a liberal media or conservative media thing... it's vested interest. If they report negatively then they lose what little inside access they do have.
Why should the "media" report positively or negatively about anything at all? They should be reporting the facts, not sensationalizing headlines to try and make you feel some kind of way about the news.
I know I'm old, but I remember a day when the news was an emotionless bias-free reporting of the actual events of the day, not opinion pieces trying to influence public sentiment. Adjectives and adverbs have no place in the reporting of news.
The headline was factually correct, it doesn't matter how you feel about the topic.
This is an uneducated myth from a conspiracy nut who never spent 10 seconds in a newsroom.
It's unreal how people like yourself will twist up into insane works of fiction.
Don't waste your time or mine replying; unless it's an admission that you're revisiting your extreme prejudice.
I remember when all the local news channels just took the City and HPD’s story about Darby until months later.
And it’s very common for national media to “both sides” these things, even with overwhelming video evidence. Only until recently did folks start even attempting to fix that.
I remember someone had posted in here that they had recorded a call with WAFF’s assistant news director who openly lied about corruption coverage in the call. And that’s just two local examples. Nationally……
2 isolated, anecdotal examples vs my 5 years at NBC. And my numerous friends and colleagues at that and other stations and other markets.
But, sure- let's assume that "the MeDiA" is wholly corrupt and biased based on 2 anecdotes from this backwater market, including zero response or explanation from any members of those or other local stations.
Because THAT'S logical...
Next you'll say WLRH/APR/APB/PBS is biased and corrupt.
Logic exercise: what does any journalism outlet stand to gain by violating the public trust in an effort to coddle law enforcement or any other person/group?