Mihile, Bishop, or Pally?

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Hey! I’m coming back to maple to play with my old guild again after they convinced me we’re all starting new characters and I got stuck drawing the support straw… LOL I have never played these classes before even for legion so any insight would be greatly appreciated!

I jus want to know how the mobbing an solo bossing capabilities are for these as I’d like to try and solo some bosses eventually lol

I’m 8.1k legion and mained kanna in the past if that matters😅

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Posted Jan 31, 2023, 4:34 AM UTC · edited

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fearisnotanoption•

Play all of them. Watch youtube videos of mobbing and bossing. Don't rely on us to make your decision. Don't rely on meta to make your decision. Make your own decision as if you aren't having fun, you will eventually hate playing and therefore quite again.

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AeribellaReboot NA•

If you got stuck with the support straw, perhaps look at beast tamer, Kanna, Phantom, and Shade as well.

BT is a proper dps with a ton of support abilities built in, and a fairly complex rotation that makes mastering them more fun.

Kanna is the bottom of the dps barrell but its support is still unrivaled, even if I think Bishop is a better traditional support. She is also immensely tanky which is nice.

Phantom is the best of all worlds, master of none. You can't beat literally any dps, but you have access to all the best support skills that bishop and paladin bring to the table while playing a thief with his own benefits. Alot of fun and deserving of more noteriety than he has been given.

And Shade is basically a dps with alot of tanky things like Kanna, and a more subdued unique support role in parties that like Kanna puts him in a league of his own.

I voted Bishop for you though from that list, Bishop is my second main and the person I may drop Kanna for in the future. Heavens door is incredible, the auto cleanse is stupid useful, best auto attack in the game in that it does like 4 different things, best heal, bubble shield thats very useful, lots of summons, and really fair damage considering it used to be in last place alongside Phantom. That being said Bishop does come off as a bit difficult, but out of the 3 supports you listed it was the most fun experience. Paladin is a close second, but not REALLY a support imo. You have like 1 or 2 actually supportive abilities.

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xMilkiesReboot NA•

From my experience, some ramblings:

Bishop will be the safest choice. In the event your old friends all quit and you're still playing, you can swap Bishop to F/P or I/L and go full damage without much drawback. Their support is unrivaled, even better than Kanna. Explorer cash shop is among the best, shares with many great boss mule candidates like DB, Shad, Bucc, MM, BM, Hero, DK. The main drawback to Bishop is there is a lot of micro managing with many skills and flipover skills. You will need to watch your party members HP and debuffs to be a good Bishop and know when to use certain skills. They also require extremely high investment, probably the most investment out of any support in the game, particularly in Nodes (Unreliable Memory + class V Skills), legion (maxed buff duration along with everything else), IA (1 attack speed + 38% buff duration), Oz Rings (WJ3-4 for Benediction/Angel of Balance), and general funding (INT for a lot of your skills). Mobbing is above average.

Paladin is a class that you want to have a reliable partner. The simple gameplay and pretty terrible downtime (Echo) can be a turn off but their burst is extremely good for a support. Paladin can also swap to Hero for the same reasons as Bishop if you want to change your focus, and Hero is a top top damage class especially in GMS. From my experience, Paladin is pretty miserable if you don't have a partner that you play with often as their kit is fully unlocked in a party. Also has Explorer cash shop. Their mobbing imo isn't good... it's bordering average.

Battle Mage is also one of the best supports in the game and shouldn't be ignored. The gameplay is pretty melee focused but you provide invaluable buffs and pretty much can get carried on them alone. Their mobbing is also great with summons. A drawback is that Resistance cash shop inventory is pretty lacking, only really Demon Slayer exists as a nice boss mule option. In the end game (Kalos and beyond), Battle Mage is sought after almost as much as Bishop.

Mihile has constant upkeep on Royal Guard. If you don't mind the gameplay then you will probably survive any encounter. One of the standout classes from Ignition update. They share cash shop with Cygnus and all of them are fantastic boss mules (yes, even BW and TB). Their mobbing is pretty average but they do have a nice summon.

Kanna is still a broken support with broken mobbing. Their solo dps is pretty bad now but their burst is still good. They get the non-KMS treatment and pretty much never get updated or get any love. If you can stand the abuse, people will always scout you out as a dying but highly desired class for parties. Shares cash shop with Hayato which isn't a particularly good boss mule. A drawback is that their base stats are extremely low and need to be supplemented with a lot of funding (needs lots of Crit and IED sources) and their secondary weapon can be frustrating to fund. Also as a Kanna you are the primary binder with the Foot and the primary burst initiator with Domain, and thus a lot of pressure is put on you since everyone is waiting on your lead which can be overwhelming for beginners especially if you mess up, die, or do a poor job binding.

Phantom is an unconventional support but a great class that has everything except the numbers. I don't know much else tbh but someone else can fill you in. Phantom shares cash shop with Shade and Aran which are okay boss mules. Personally, Freud's Wisdom is important but I find is extremely annoying to use, to the point it's actually a deal breaker lul.

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littlerayCro•

I would go for Bishop if you don’t mind teleport.

I’ve plated all three to 220, Pally to 230 before the destiny update. Below are my experience.

I was planning to main Mihile, cz it’s unique, however after training to 220, i gave up, feel like constant needed to worry abt RG becomes a bit tedious. I haven’t touched it since then, so I am not sure how it changed now after ignition update.

After I ditched Mihile (sorry Mihile mains), I switched to Pally, like an obvious choice. I got bored with Pally after hitting 230, as it’s pretty much one button class, one button mobbing, one button bossing, don’t feel any satisfaction playing it. Now my pally is one of my bossing mules.

Bishop, I didn’t enjoy it before the destiny updates, especially I play mainly solely, however after the destiny update, bishop all of sudden became the one of best classes, it has every things, it’s fun to train and bossing with. The only problem would be you will struggle to fit all its skills onto the keyboard.

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Avorent•

Royal guard is so free rn

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FinalJoysRaven•

Royal guard gave me a lot of thought. You’re basically at the mercy of mobs or bosses to use the skill. Wanna press guard? Useless unless you’re taking damage.

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KidPolygonReboot•

It’s kind of fine though because any time you would want to press guard there is a readily accessible source of damage to proc it. I never once felt like I was searching for a way to proc Royal guard on my Mihile, but they’re only up to CRA

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Dysss•

Damien (and slime, to a lesser degree) can be a tad annoying. Damien attacks quite rarely, and half of them gives him iframes where your royal guard won't actually hit him (dive and dash). The flying swords is clearly sentient because it turns 90 degrees 1mm away from you the moment you press RG. The only reliable way to proc RG is popcorn and sword field, but they're also 1hko attacks so it can be brutal for someone who isn't familiar with Damien and/or RG timings.

Slime can also be annoying since you're likely to lose RG stacks during slime wave, and have no way of proccing RG after it during the "burst" phase (unless you get lucky with the tiny blobs on the floor).

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Zexous47•

This is not true for Damien, you can proc royal guard and stack from dive and dash, very reliably as well.

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0Yggdrasil0•

bishop shines a LOT on 8k legion, cuz of the buff duration %

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AttackOfTheAnt•

In terms of raw support power, Bishop is going to be best. I would say mihile is better for helping your team survive more than paladin. Paladin is good for helping one strong member become stronger and do damage without interruption for 40 seconds.

As someone else said, you should try all of them out to see which one you like best. Paladin and mihile are going to be somewhat similar in terms of playstyle while bishop will be different than the other two.

I would say in terms of simplicity paladin is the most simplest(pally is super simple) , and then bishop and Mihile having the highest learning curve.

In terms of raw support power Bishop provides an absolute butt ton of party survivability and damage. Also no slouch when it comes to damage. Paladin really only has one support move that has a cd of 90 seconds and an invincibility frame of 5 minutes or 6? That can also be shared with one person. Pally imo is very simple and really doesn't take much brain power. Mihile is nearly unkillable if played right. I personally really like royal guard and it's what completely sold me on the class. Their support capability is ok. We don't give much damage boost to party members, but give constant small shields and for big attacks can give massive shields and damage reduction.

Lastly mobbing, I don't know much about bishop mobbing tbh. I think they are ok now? Find out from someone else. Paladin mobbing is pretty good and straightforward. pretty often large area attack and some pretty spammable 5th job skills that make it pretty easy to mob with. Mihile mobbing is ok. It's on the lower end of mobbing. He has one summon that can clear a small area and it really only covers a small area. His main attack covers a small area, but royal guard at max stacks covers a really large area. Alongside another 12 sec cd 5th job skill with decent range makes him not the worst mobber, but not great either. Also erda shower would not be a bad idea on him either.

But again, play all of them, if you plan to play the game for a while, get them to 5th job and try out their kits while bossing and mobbing, whichever one you are vibing with pick that one. You won't keep playing and you won't want to play if you don't enjoy the class. Also another option for support is Kanna, one of the best supports in the game. Or Beast tamer. Also a good support, but has lots of problems frequently.

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buttsecksgoose•

I'd vote mihile or pally (out of the list) if you are truly sticking to the support archetype. Paladins dont really fully fit the support archetype, only truly shining if you have a night lord or another strong burst class without an iframe on your party to give them a fully immune burst rotation.

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kashh444Luna|Luminose•

Wth is Pally?

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