Do Not Use: the Team! (February 2023)
Posted Feb 12, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC
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Yo this tier is like LC PU
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In terms on mons list yep! Of our roster I believe only Nymble sees play in gen 9 LC. One big difference is that we play at level 100 like most tiers, so it's less HO-focused and features a bigger variety of archetypes.
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I mean some people like Pooper if you want an annoying poison. Competes with Mare and Foong as a poison and Mudbray as a ground but it’s still useable. Same with maku.
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And luvdisc/unown
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luvdisc and unown fighting literal impaired toddlers that are below lc and not being broken is hilarious ngl
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It’s like seeing an 8 year old and senile 88 year old square up.
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Dreepy Slander
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It may be the only ghost-type in the tier but spinblocking Roly is literally all it does what do you guys see in this thing
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He's a Silly Little Guy ™️ :) 👻 🐲
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Stab astonish tho 👀
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Paraflinch hacks moment
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Ahh, so it's just like Bramblegast in UU then.
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Poor Dreepy, the only Pokémon which can canonically be walled by Child.
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Surprised Unown is that high
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72 special attack is a hell of a drug in this tier, even off an attack of only 60 BP. It matches up well with some of the tier's top defensive threats and can be paired with Nymble to make a great offensive core
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Nymble/Unown Hyper Offense Moment
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what the highest attacking stats do to a mf
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I haven’t played in awhile… I shall make it higher
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The goddamn propaganda is working, I wanna play this tier now goddamn I am not immune to propoganda
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Oh lord. I need it.
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Seeing Unown and Luvdisc there is like if Verne Troyer got put into a daycare
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based and DNUpilled
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Magikarp too strong
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In Draft formats it's not the worst cause it's pretty fast, better than the Cocoons anyways
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Gulpin deez NU-
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Zubat is the best mon in a tier??? This sounds hilarious I’ll have to play this with my friends sometime
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How do you define a mon that’s so bad that it’s eligible for DNU? How is the line drawn between DNU and LC?
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Good question! When the tier launched it was all Pokémon below 250 BST. That cutoff was chosen since 250 has a cluster of 6-7 pokémon who would all dunk on the tier. A few other Pokémon were grandfathered in (Luvdisc, Unown, Slakoth). Since then, we have performed 2 suspects to bring in new Pokémon above the limit that we thought would make good fits, and are currently performing our third. Swinub, Gulpin, Charcadet, and Shinx have all been added; Beldum, Meltan, and Jigglypuff have remained banned. We have also quick-unbanned Dreepy and Applin due to their horrendous movepools.
Right now we are testing Cherubi, Hatenna, and Litwick to see if they would fit in the tier.
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Tynamo has a BST higher than 250 but only learns 5 moves with it’s strongest move being tera blast. Should that be unbanned?
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Tynamo is unbanned, I just forgot about it since it's horrendous even here lol
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I always loved how Tynamo’s unbanning was so irrelevant no one even remembers it’s in the tier.
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We also qub'd Tynamo.
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Did jigglypuff get banned for it's insane coverage?
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That was one part, but it was mainly due to its insanely good 115 HP Wish + Teleport combo that made some mons basically unlikable
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Also I believe jigglypuff can learn nasty plot now in gen 9
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It just did too much. Wishport, Knock Off, spreading status, rocks, on top of incredible bulk and usable special attack.
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Magikarp: 0.0%
Fuck Magikarp, all my homies hate Magikarp
Magikarp demoted to the WPE tier (worst Pokémon ever), a tier below untiered
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Through this tier we've found out that Magikarp isn't the worst pokemon ever somehow. It doesn't do a lot, sure, but 80 speed is always going to be nice in a tier like this, even if it's just to chip something with a Hydro Pump. WPE is one of Wurmple, Weedle, or Caterpie, depending on if you value bulk, speed, or a mix of both, respectively.
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Weedle isn't even in the discussion imo. poison typing and 50 speed are more than either of the others bring to the table. caterpie is probably the worst, it doesn't have poison sting like the others.
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Wait, was Hoennian Ziggy actually broken in the tier or?
so proud of my lad if so
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HZig is actually banned in LC, which is a significantly stronger tier than this
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Belly Drum + STAB ESpeed = Absurd power
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At first I thought this was just LC but then I saw Unown and Luvdisc
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This tier is more like the power level of a LC PU, lol
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How do you track stats? Is this a tournament or just random challenges?
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So, we have a ladder, and we've put on a bunch of tournaments. We've had a few hundred games so far in gen 9, we've actively got the biggest tournament we've ever put on going, we have 2 draft leagues, the tier's actually pretty active.
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We play on a custom Showdown server, so usage stats are automatically tracked--both the Pokémon that are used but their sets too. This is all usage stats based off of the ladder
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Kid named sticky hold
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Gulpin is our only user! and that does give it a solid niche against maku, though guts eaarthquake still causes some problems.
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Gulpin deez nuts 😳🤓😃😆😅😂😁🗿😳💀💀💀😱😱😅🗿🤓😁
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Uses Togepi and unironically uses Metronome.
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So how many usage-based tiers would you have to go through before the metagame ended up naturally looking like this?
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So, this math is not going to be super accurate since there's a lot of intricacies, but here's some quick napkin math on the question.
There are 36 Pokemon currently banned from NDOU, and there are 36 Pokemon tiered as NDOU itself. Thus, we're going to assume there are 36 Pokemon in every tier. There are 1008 Pokemon right now by National Dex number. (There's actually a lot of duplicates thanks to things like regional formes, Deoxys, Megas, etc; but I'm not going to count every single tiering option.) Divide 1008 by 36 and you get 28 tiers, so 27U or 28U (depending on how you want to round it) just by going off of dex numbers. Counting alternative forms, it's probably somewhere around 30U or 31U.
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30U JUMP I'M FUCKING SCREAMING HAHAHAHA. WE'RE ACTUALLY THAT FAR DOWN???
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We don't know because we haven't ever had that many. There would be a lot of distinctions that need to be made between BLs and actual tiers
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Do Not Use, or DNU, is an unofficial tier comprised of the worst Pokemon to ever come out of GameFreak's office. A more serious (though slightly outdated) overview of the meta can be found here and a link to our Discord server can be found here! If you have any questions about the meme, the tier, or anything else, feel free to ask in the comments or in the server!
Can you make the same for NFE? I dunno who counts for NFE but there should be enough to make the same list
I have never played NFE so I am not the person who should be making that post
Yeah nfe is weird anyway
What is NFE?
Not Fully Evolved. Only mons that can still evolve are allowed, though unlike Little Cup there's no restriction on middle stages.
Look up in which tier is for example rhydon in smogon
massive hit