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r/Hamza•
Bar-Least

Hamzas worst video

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I despise how Hamza and other figures like Tate suggest money-making. They downplay the importance of university, an education level which directly impacts future salary (if you want, I'll send you the graph showing the correlation between average salary and education level or search it up). Figures like Hamza suffer from survivorship bias, and then they peddle an anti-university message to their audience, who might then be less inclined to go to Uni. Most people who want to become "synthesizers" won't make it and would probably be better off having gone to uni, but because we don't hear from them, it is easy to ignore that only a few will make it. That is not to say that people shouldn't start their own businesses, everyone should absolutely try their best to earn money through business, but the importance of university should not be downplayed, it is a safe, reliable, backup option and one should, if they are so inclined to start a business or any other risky venture, have backups. I like Hamza, mostly for his self-improvement advice that has helped me out of a depressive rut, but this anti-university rhetoric which is so pervasive in the self-help industry is destructive.

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Also sorry for the clickbait title had to get attention somehow. The practical advice in the video isnt bad. It's great advice for people wanting to get into youtube (and some of it can be applied for other business ventures) but my point is that most people wont make it and he shouldn't downplay the importance of university for most people.

Posted Apr 1, 2023, 8:28 AM UTC · edited

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Bar-LeastOP•

Yea you're 100% right, they talk down on "normal" jobs when those are, on a societal and global scale, the most important for the functioning and survival of humanity.

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Whitegoodnesss•

If you rewatch previous videos, he mentions that doctors and lawyers are needed. Even in this video he gave the message that there is some necessity to degrees, but for the majority of people, it isn't what they are actually interested in. I believe that he is just trying to teach people how to monetize their interests.

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Thank you for a different perspective though. Its interesting to see how people with different mindsets and beliefs interpret the same message.

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JackAlderton•

I don't think anyone of these channels has said otherwise. Surgeons, doctors, and lawyers are needed and proper training is appropriate and necessary. They are all high-value skills that literally save wells and compensate accordingly. They are questioning low-value degrees and vocational training outside of that in a world that has changed. For example, you do not need to go to university to excel as an artist. Social media will give genuine talent and creative skill more exposure and monetary return than being able to write an essay on Picasso's post-modernistic appeal to communal suffering...

I cared a lot about school, went to one of the top unis in my country (and the world), filled with disciplined people, doing a course I initially loved. The way it's taught just killed the passion I had for finance and business. I have done well for myself working in the field but after I quit that job I was qualified for and pursued writing instead, I am making more money in another job using skills I never studied for at uni and don't reflect my degree.

It's up to the viewer to apply it to their lives and what they want to get out of it. Nonetheless I found your perspective interesting and insightful enough to write out a response. Respect for people that choose either path.

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He makes $40,000+ from his business, and literally made way more with skillshare before they decided to cancel him. It’s very clear he’s made it, and he also started from nothing.

Of course he has that belief, because he’s proved to himself that anyone can make it in the entrepreneur route.

Also university is just…not for everyone. Forget uni, ever since middle school I hated sitting in class, and I would just phase out after a good 15mins of almost any class. I really had the urge to just get up and just run out of there, but I knew if I caused any trouble in school I’d get my ass beat at home.

I can confidently say I don’t remember anything I’ve learned in school at all.

Edit: $40k a monthly not year.

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Bar-LeastOP•

Exactly, he has survivorship bias, he is among the minute few who make it (everyone should try, but the vast majority will fail, simply because YouTube is a zero-sum game). I get that uni isn't for everyone, but it's still a safe, stable alternative in case you fail your main business. By not having any backups you risk being stuck at a minimum wage salary for the rest of your life, that's an issue with the system, but considering it is the system we live in, I think it's kind of disingenuous for Hamza (with the immense influence he has) to say that Uni is a scam and not worth it, as if that is true for everyone. Also, I have no issue with people not wanting to go to uni, I completely understand, I too want to drop out as soon as possible (once my business takes off), but it's different when you make the personal decision to not go than if Hamza influences his fans to not go to uni and do YouTube instead. Yknow what I mean?

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[deleted]•

Yeah I understand. I wanted to actually go to trade school but unfortunately in the city I live in, they shutdown a majority of them for some reason. Trade schools have the right idea, people are here to learn there skills and get out not hang around and learn a bunch of things they don’t need.

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Transmission_agenda•

$40,000+ from his business

A year? That's not that much

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[deleted]•

A month, I blame myself, I should have included that.

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Bill201918•

University is only useful if you study a STEM subject, otherwise it’s a waste of time and money

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DaddyShujin•

It 100% matters if you work hard or not during school. The business major who did 4 finance internships during college is going to make more than the stem major who did 0.

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Bar-LeastOP•

Search up: graph of average salary vs education level

The average salary that a person makes increases with different degrees (taking into account all areas of study not only STEM), people who have a PHD in something random like geography make (on average, the exception does not make the rule) more than a person who only has a high school diploma

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Sweet_Tip435•

Yeah idk what people mean by "useful." If what matters is the probability you'll make a certain wage, get a compsci degree - no competition (no, not lawyering, not engineering, not entrepreneurship; there's no competition).

On the other hand, if you, like the rest of us, occasionally derive happiness from something other than financial security, you should expand your definition of "useful".

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Sweet_Tip435•

Oh btw, I should say, the actual financial security cheat code is to first get a compsci degree, then move to a popular but low price housing market and buy rental properties. Yes, if you do this, you're a bottomfeeder. But it's just obviously the best one-size-fits-all way to make money.

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Layla_hart•

Shut up.

What about accounting, finance, marketing, sales, economics etc

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ninja360r•

Yes i hate when people say “if he can, why can’t i” its very much survivorship bias. Yeah off some people can make it, but what about the other 90% people who ended up broke, bankrupt?

I agree with you. Education is so important especially now for men. Look out this video i explained why

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Phdrhymes•

Lmao W bro I respect the plug

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Sweet_Tip435•

Yeah this sentiment seems correct.

Naval is also guilty to some degree. I don't see this hypothetical future where everybody makes a living as a content creator or an artist.

My vibe: more people should do trade school and local colleges, fewer people should enter university without knowing exactly what they want to accomplish, way fewer uni students should study disciplines that are fewer than 500 years old (besides comp and maybe psych), and fewer people should just do nothing because they "don't know" what they "want to do".

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Bar-LeastOP•

agreed, its definitely a waste to go into uni without knowing what you wanna do and way too expensive to "find yourself"

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DaddyShujin•

Most people that don’t want to take the time to apply themselves in school cope and say that school isn’t important. The most powerful people in the world (the people that own and create the very platforms that you lambast university on) all went to college, and most of them to elite universities. People like Zuckerberg and Gates dropped out of college? Yeah, but they dropped out of Harvard. They would have been incredibly successful either way. There are more games being played here than just who can make the most money.

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Griffithh__•

Probably one of the worst takes I have ever read, and I do not mean it in a harassing way. But you are missing the key points of Hamza and other entrepreneurs’s MAIN argument. How many in your family (relatives included) have acquired financial freedom going to school? I can bet - without judging ofc and just basing it of my own life and experiences - that you will say 0.

My family are highly educated, like doctors, engineers and they are GOOD at their work and some even have their own clinic. But still, they HAVE to work to keep up with the economy etc.

The entrepreneurs do not have to “work” the same way, yes people that just started their business will have to put in at least 50-60h/week but when you get the ball rolling and you find your sweet spot, then, just like Hamza and others, you can easily rely on your course or whatever it is that you created.

You see, the difference between uni and entrepreneurship is, the people from uni are 99% if the time always relying on higher authorities like CEOs, bosses, project managers, team leaders etc. While an entrepreneur (if you are successful ofc) is all of the above, he is his own ceo essentially.

It’s sounds to me, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you are coping REALLY hard when it comes to uni and entrepreneurship. Uni is not bad at all but the things you learn are aligned with what the “elites” want you to know, if that makes sense. Nothing you learn will actually benefit you as a own individual and it’s very rare that you can take the lessons from uni and make your OWN business with your own ideas etc.

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Bar-LeastOP•

I am in no way knocking entrepreneurship, I want to be an entrepreneur myself, but we have to also accept that most won't make it, and most shouldn't in this system (because we need a workforce for a society to keep functioning). For the few that make it, like Hamza, entrepreneurship is amazing, but my argument (and I think you didn't really glean this from my initial post) is that for the overwhelming majority that don't make it, university is the best option. Going to Uni is directly correlated with a higher-paying job and sure, you're working for someone else, trading your time and labour for money, but that's what most people have to do in this system. You should try to become financially free, but chances are you won't make it, and considering that, going to university would still be the best option because you have that security.

I fully understand and appreciate why making money as an entrepreneur is different and better than when you're working for someone else, but that has nothing to do with my argument. :)

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benji_butana•

Watch my mewing documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OqKlPOMd5o

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Billydaboxer•

I think your misunderstanding the message here. These people aren’t downplaying the idea of normal jobs, but are focusing on the values of entrepreneurship to help their viewers achieve maximum success. This is why they commonly diss university, because it has no importance in achieving the goal of entrepreneurship.

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9pro9•

Ye not everyones gonna be a youtuber

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Masih-Development•

He is not against uni as a whole. He said only go to uni if you are sure about the job you want and if you surely need the degree.

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JustZed32•

See, ambitious men don't work for salary - ambitious men are owners, are entrepreneurs, and free men.

If you want to go for a salary - go on. If you want to work for a salary, where there is a daddy talking to you what to do - go on, work for a salary.

But if you wish to be a free man, a rich man - no work nor university can give you that.

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Bar-LeastOP•

I dont disagree but you have to consider that the majority of what you call "ambitious men" will fail and would have probably been better off with a university degree

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Sweet_Tip435•

Dude, what are you saying lol? Is this some twisted porn script?

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DaddyShujin•

You’re still working for someone no matter what you do. Could be a boss at full time job. Could be your clients if you’re an entrepreneur.

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