The Doctor is in

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and already digging at the Genshin Community lol. I'm not sure if that was intentional but if you guys have been following us theorycrafters it's already been made popular to believe that Baizhu is hiding some nefarious secret or past behind his benevolent exterior as a healer. Something about how he's got this mysterious illness and that's why he's been keeping Qiqi around him. Until it was disproven by the Archon Quest some theories even claimed that Baizhu was the original Dendro Archon whose illness was a mortal injury he suffered during the Cataclysm which forced him into hiding and letting Kusanali replace him pretty much faking his death like Zhongli.

So I got a chuckle out of Zach questioning Sean about Baizhu's intentions. Always nice to hear his Moon Carver voice too.

That said it's still no indication that the theories surrounding the man aren't justified. He's still got that mysterious illness and he does still keep Qiqi around. In fact I'd say there's even a little more to fit into the nefarious column. From the livestream it seems like he's got that practically memable ideal about seeking immortality a la several Chinese Emperors. Hope he's not been chugging any mercury lol

Ok anyway that's not all we already know about Baizhu. His Constellation was also shown which is Lagenaria. That probably means nothing to people on our side of the world. I mean you look it up and it's a kind of gourd.

Wow.

But if you guys are familiar with Ancient China or have Chinese friends this specific kind of gourd was often hollowed out to be used as water bottles. And if you can put water in it you can put other liquids in like liquor. Or the many kinds of TCM herbal remedies that were typically taken as a tea. Perfectly suited to Baizhu.

And as usual looking at the English version's Latin-based names only tells half the story. In its original Chinese Baizhu's Constellation is 悬壶 xuan hu which specifically references this kind of gourd when it's used for medicine. I think the name comes from a Chinese folktale.

On top of that though there's the phrase 悬乎 which is a homophone of 悬壶. 悬乎 means teetering on the edge with the implication that the person is gambling with his life and the outcome of whatever he's doing can go either way. If that's miHoYo's implication with Baizhu I can only wonder what his illness is and what ramifications his philosophy on life and death will have going forward.

If we consider the Gnostic basis of Genshin not to mention the Buddhism then Baizhu's blasphemous haha. Eternal life is frowned upon and we can see in Genshin itself immortality is a curse by Celestia that prevents the hilichurls and pureblood Khaenri'ahns from returning to the natural cycle which will also stop them from being reborn. In Gnosticism seeking immortality would be purposely condemning yourself to the physical world of the Demiurge never to be able to ascend and return to the true god in the Ogdoad. In Buddhism being trapped out of the natural cycle of reincarnation means you will likely never reach nirvana. Hu Tao's family got it right. Baizhu's barking up the wrong tree.

Maybe that'll be brought up in his Character Quest.

Posted Apr 1, 2023, 9:57 PM UTC

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Bran_Flaks•

I love the way you ended this

" In Buddhism being trapped out of the natural cycle of reincarnation means you will likely never reach nirvana. Hu Tao's family got it right. Baizhu's barking up the wrong tree. "

Hopefully we get to learn about this in the future. Hu tao might have some moral complications with the idea that baizhu's chasing. Or maybe she won't cause she's so sure that NOBODY can escape the cycle of life and death. And then be horrified if he does.

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Way_MobyScarlet King Believer•

I feel like eternal life would be akin to escaping erosion itself. I bet Celestia wouldn’t be too happy about that…

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SolsticeGelan•

I feel like Eternal Life is what makes you subject to Celestia's Erosion in the first place.

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ALiteralMermaid•

If that's the case it'd have some implications about Zhongli and Azhdaha

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imzhongli•

And it does, as seen in his second story quest.

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Way_MobyScarlet King Believer•

Or perhaps erosion is an attempt to stamp out anyone who attempts to live for too long; it’s like a fail safe.

The implications for the Khaenriahans are interesting. It’s like they’re were quarantined and stretched to their biological limits until their very atoms fell apart. It’s like entropy.

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paumalfoy•

I don't think it's the same. The knights of the chasm are immortal and severely eroded, after all

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Way_MobyScarlet King Believer•

True, although that’s less eternal life a la what Baizhu is seeking and more the inability to die while nevertheless wasting away. That might sound like pedantic hairsplitting, but it’s sort of a Tithonus situation. One is (presumably) ideal and one is a punishment.

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InotiaKingOP•

Also the hilichurls we find down there. There are a few that can't even move anymore and it was explained by Dainsleif that that was the point. Celestia cursed them to be immortal and unable to return to the cycle. It was further backed by Chlothar with the naturalized Khaenri'ahns further cursed to become unthinking hilichurls. I theorized that was probably a double punishment for them since they originally came from the Seven Nations so by migrating to Khaenri'ah it was like actively rejecting the Heavenly Principles compared to pureblood Khaenri'ahns always living outside of them.

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InotiaKingOP•

It seems I'm a little late to the party so I don't know how much more I can add. I'm with SolsticeGelan. I feel the game's leading us towards the idea that immortality is wrong so Baizhu is trying to achieve something that's going to cause problems if he actually succeeds. I'm actually wondering if Qiqi's going to play a role in that since she was brought back to life in this reanimated fashion and barely has functioning cognition.

All that said I wouldn't say nobody can escape the cycle just that immortality isn't the way to do it. I've made other theories about it but the short of it is I think it's about going above the cycle. There's a heavy basis of this game on Gnosticism and the goal of it is to ascend the physical world back into pretty much heaven and the Monad. At the same time this fits with Buddhism where to stop the cycle of reincarnation a person needs to reach nirvana. After that they are no longer part of the cycle.

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Mental-Ad-8756:anemo:•

I’m glad to see he still is sus, because his VA during the livestream said something like “lol he’s a good boy/not what people might think” and it could of just been me but it seemed kinda targeted at us. Like a little “he’s not the deep you guys.” I don’t recall what exactly he said, but that was the impression it gave me.

However it could of been a white lie, and now that I think about it, probably was..his lore coming out with Sumeru lore is not a coincidence if you ask me! They waited and planned his release now for a reason I would think. He could of been the first 5 star dendro character easy, but he wasn’t. And Liyue has already had its spotlight, and all their other characters were released before him, even YaoYao who we never knew existed until she was playable.

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imzhongli•

The last sentence makes me laugh because YaoYao was actually part of a leak of a bunch of characters in 1.4. People have been speculating on her release on pretty much every Liyue-related update since then lol.

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BlazerionX•

I think it was earlier than that, might be wrong tho

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Mental-Ad-8756:anemo:•

If it was just a leak that long ago and she wasn’t a NPC the whole time like Dr.Snake I mean…I hadn’t even started playing back then.

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paumalfoy•

I liked the part where Sean* said 'oh no he's not hiding anything, nothing at all, no" and the text on the screen was about his "personal intrigues <being> subtle". unless I'm misunderstanding something as a non-native speaker, it's kinda hilarious

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!*obligatory "Baizhud all over those guys"!<

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InotiaKingOP•

That could be right. I mean Baizhu's outfit looks to be based on the western region of China you know like Aladdin. There could be some part of his Character Quest or lore that might allude to the relationship there.

But yeah I agree with imzhongli. We knew Yaoyao was going to be a playable character for some time and there were voicelines about her. I actually made a prediction (a wrong one lol) that she and Baizhu were going to release in v2.8 or v2.9 just before Sumeru to give us a sneak peak at Dendro before it became central to the story.

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kittypuppet:anemo:•

I just have one correction here: Theorycrafting isn't lore related, like at all. It's when you calculate out the potential values of a character's kit. I made the same mistake when I was new lmao

edit: Y'all really downvoting me for correcting OP on this? It's not a term limited to Genshin, it's been in the gaming community long before smh

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shoujomujo•

Why is this downvoted? This is literally true.

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kittypuppet:anemo:•

Not to mention TCing is not limited to Genshin. I call it lorecrafting literally for this reason.

I guess some people just don't like that I pointed it out.

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shoujomujo•

Yup, there is even a Wiki explanation of it

“Theorycraft (or theorycrafting) is the mathematical analysis of game mechanics, usually in video games, to discover optimal strategies and tactics.”

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InotiaKingOP•

I don't know. Back in my day theorycrafting and theorizing were just two ways of saying the same thing. According to that wiki page the term came after StarCraft which is news to me unless they mean StarCraft II. But personally I still find the terms interchangeable. If you watch Game Theory for example MatPat switches the terms around too. Maybe we're just boomers.

Anyway looks like you're in the positives now so congrats! Reddit can be a rough place sometimes. You come up with good points and get dunked on for it. Then you say the most random thing and suddenly you get 100+ upvotes lol

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You are on to somthing

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cbutterg•

Really nice post! I don’t have anything else to add, just that I believe the timing of his release is not random and we might now be at a good point, lore wise, to understand where they are going with him. I hope your questions will be answered soon!

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InotiaKingOP•

Yeah same. And I think you are right about the timing of it. To be fair his attire seems to be based on the ethnic minority wardrobe of western China which is related to Turkish garb and that would relate to Sumeru. Maybe that'll be addressed in his Character Quest.

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celestarre•

What are you referencing when you say Hu Tao's family got it right?

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imzhongli•

They might just be referencing that Hu Tao's family is always trying to get people to accept moving past the barrier between life and death (eg. Hu Tao's obsession with Qiqi).

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InotiaKingOP•

Yes imzhongli got it. It seems this game is adhering strictly to the ideals in Gnosticism specifically a version of it that developed with Buddhism called Manichaeism. So the idea there is that humans are stuck in a cycle in the physical world. In Buddhism that would just be the cycle of reincarnation. And that's the natural order so immortality would violate that. But there is a proper way to get out of the cycle and that's through ascension. There's a few more details to that though but if you're interested you can find my whole theory in the pinned topic on my profile page.

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Bird_Boi_Man•

I always did want baizhu to be the god of the woods tbh

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InotiaKingOP•

Haha yeah it was a pretty popular theory.

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CommonCoat5072•

I just wanna say this illness will never be surferd,it will be just like one piece illness one which roger and whitebeard had

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ManIneedOuttaHere•

When where we informed that baizhu is sick ??? Also when did hutao family comment on Baizhu or was it just a metaphor?

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Own-Warthog5195•

they say so in the livestream plus iirc the 1st time u meet him and from qiqis voicelines we learn hes physically really weak (even qiqi said shes in MUCH better condition than baizhu) as for hu taos family we know from taos voiceline on baizhu she detests baizhu for seeking eternal life as all things must die. ofc considering the family she hails from (funeral directors) its not rly a surprise

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yaaboii1000•

Man I wish people have amazing theory like this but all we got people making weird ships and same joke over and over again

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EMAN666666•

I promise you making a theory like this and spending the brainpower and effort to create content for ships is more similar than you might think.

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yaaboii1000•

It's not saying that it's lazy I just don't like shipping

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EMAN666666•

Then block it out of your feed and work on making theories yourself instead of complaining others aren't doing it for you.

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yaaboii1000•

K

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InotiaKingOP•

Haha I feel your pain. The weird ships can be funny sometimes though. But some others just make you wonder how anybody got the idea. For instance the super long running MonaxScara ship. The only time these two interacted was as enemies when Mona saw that he was a Harbinger and saved the MC and Fischl from him. How that became a ship boggles my mind. And it somehow survived even now after Scara became Wanderer meaning everybody forgot who he was including Mona.

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