Family is broken due to one sibling refusing to be in the same room as another. Unsure how to navigate

Hello,

This is a complex situation so hopefully I word this correctly.

I have two sisters, Anne and Beth. Anne is 35, Beth is 32. I myself am 30.

Anne and Beth have never gotten along very well even as kids. They shared a room and there were very many toxic elements between them. At times Beth was very tough to live with, for all of us. Beth would yell and scream on the phone at all hours of the night, she would have parties at my parents house without their knowledge, etc. Our childhood could be an entire post on its own but I am trimming it down to save time. In essence, Beth was too hard to live with and my parents were ineffective at disciplining her, and as a result Anne moved out at 17 to live with relatives. This is the very start of Anne's deep resentment of Beth.

They were never really close in the years after that. Anne would frequently hold the past over Beth's head, and make snarky comments about it. Additionally, Beth is a mess, she is late to family events, and we believe she has an undiagnosed mental illness. Anne would use all of this as evidence that Beth is toxic and would deepen her resentment of her.

This brings us to 2021 or so, when Anne decided Beth is too toxic to be around and she doesn't want her in her life at all. This makes things very difficult for our family as Anne is the only sibling with children, and all events seem to center around her and her family. This has effectively cut Beth off from any events with the family.

For reference - Anne has a husband and two kids, a nice home, and a very strong support system. She has everyone she needs. My parents live close by and they dote on her and her family. Beth has nothing - she is financially stable but friends are in short supply and she doesn't really have much of a support system. Much of this is her own doing (as said, she is a mess and I believe mentally unwell). When a holiday happens she largely spends it alone. My parents offer consolation in the form of "you can come over afterward" and Beth just feels slapped in the face and rejected by it.

I understand Anne is within her rights to set boundaries with Beth. She shouldn't have to be around her if she feels that way. But the issue is that Anne makes herself the center of everything in the family - all events happen at her house, she dictates how things are, and she manipulates the situation and guilts those who choose to try to include Beth or make room for her.

This comes up because of Easter Sunday this weekend - Beth asked my parents what is going on for Easter and as always - it is at Anne's house and they offered the same "you can come over after" consolation. Beth was and is hurt. I decided I have had enough and am spending the holiday with Beth only. I am being made to be the bad guy for it. Anne tries to guilt and manipulate me with words about niece not seeing their uncle on a holiday. She clearly resents me for trying to make sure my other sister doesn't end up alone.

I have posted about this before in other subs and have been chastised for "enabling" Beth and her abuse of Anne. This simply isn't the case. Anne had it rough with Beth growing up, but Beth hasn't done anything to Anne in years. Beth is happy to not interact with her at all and keep the peace. But Anne will not let go of the past. She makes delusional statements like "she's ruined my life" and "everyone is expected to drop everything for her and she always comes first" when it simply isn't true. Anne and her family ALWAYS come first. She will use an example like Beth being late to lunch as a reason why she will never change and we're all terrible people for trying to include her.

I understand that Beth isn't perfect as well. She lies when she is embarassed and it has been a long road getting her to admit she needs help. But giving up on her doesn't feel like the way to go either.

Our parents are no help. My mom is a helpless coward who tries to avoid any uncomfortable conversations and puts the whole thing on my father. My father is a boomer from another era who doesn't have the emotional intelligence to deal with any of this. They say that Beth goes missing for a month at a time and why should they be expected to cater to her when she isn't around. My feelings are that if we supported Beth and stopped showing her how much of a second choice and black sheep she is, maybe she wouldn't go missing, and maybe she'd be empowered to get help. The last time they didn't hear from her was because she needed a place to live temporarily and they wouldn't let her live there because Anne wouldn't allow her daughter over there while Beth is there. Beth naturally felt rejected and ended up having to stay at a hotel. My parents have failed both daughters here in every possible way.

On another note - my partner and I are sick of Anne running the show as well. We'd like to host a holiday too and we can't even bring it up because Anne won't be willing to drive here. The last and only time she came to my place she complained the whole time and remarked how small it is.

With all this, what is the right move here? How do I navigate my feelings about my family? How do I deal with Anne guilting me over trying to make sure Beth doesn't spend every holiday alone?

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tl;dr Sibling resents other sibling over the past and has made a conscious choice to alienate her and tries to manipulate the rest of us into doing so. How do I navigate this situation and am I wrong for trying to give Beth some semblance of a support system?

Posted Apr 6, 2023, 4:01 PM UTC

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Smash_GalAssistant Elder Sage [229]•

Welcome to adulthood: you get to make your own choices and so does your family.

Want to host your own family celebration? Ok, just do it. You're not asking permission, you're just doing it and inviting people. Anne puts up some kind of verbal fuss? I mean, ok, she can still have her own celebration that your mom and dad can also attend if they want. What a concept; you can have two Easter dinners, as it turns out. Only difference is that Beth is invited to yours, so she'll probably be there. Anne doesn't want to join specifically bc Beth will be there? Okay, that's fine. She doesn't have to. You will still show up to whatever dinner Anne wants to host the next day or whatever, you're just making a separate dinner because you can.

You get to be able to choose who to spend time with as an adult, and you can host an Easter dinner and invite friends and family from both your side and your partner's side too if they'd like.

You can't really control how your parents or Anne choose to interact with Beth. You can only control yourself. Anne guilt trips you on how she'll have to explain to her kids that their uncle isn't coming? Oh my god, she's being dramatic. It's not difficult. She can do what any reasonable adult would do: just plainly state that Uncle OP won't be here for dinner this Easter, but maybe next time. There doesn't need to be any layered explanations or delving into why you aren't coming. That's unnecessary and pointless.

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SOSovereignOP•

I appreciate your insight. You are right. I should be able to have my own holiday with Beth without all of this drama.

To your end comment - yes it is frankly ridiculous Anne gets away with doing this to us and it is irritating nobody else has the gumption to call it out.

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2gutter67•

Sounds to me like Anne is the more toxic of the two at this point in your lives. She INSISTS that all things family will revolve around her and her wants/needs without a care for what anyone else would like. She won't let you host a family event nor travel to one if you do, guilts you for even considering spending time with Beth, and will only accept things on her terms. Sounds like she got spoiled to hell and back as a child by your parents and Beth was acting out for attention that was never given.

There is no navigation here that "fixes" everything without all parties involved doing their own work. You can ask them to do things like therapy, to sit down and talk about the past with mediation, anything, but if they do not want to you cannot force a change. All you can do is make sure you do what YOU want to do and feel is right.

I wish you the best of luck and hopefully a happy result.

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SOSovereignOP•

I appreciate this comment. Too often it feels like Beth has become a scapegoat and the easy person to blame and nobody takes a hard look at what Anne is doing right now. What she is putting my parents through with this is cruel. She starts fights every holiday when we dare to leave early or show up late to spend time with Beth. It is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say Anne was spoiled as a kid - Beth definitely got the lions share of my parents attention (albeit, negative attention). But in the last 10 years Anne has definitely been the spoiled one.

Thank you for your comment.

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jjb5151Master Advice Giver [28]•

Jesus, that's tough. Anne sounds like a nightmare to deal with here.

I'd start having your own holidays and invite everyone (Beth and Anne included) as well as your partners family. You can tell them that you're done playing this game and if anyone decides not to come, that's their own choice but everyone is welcomed when you throw the holiday. Maybe Beth and your parents come but Anne will stay home, okay that's her choice. Maybe your parents go to Anne's and its' just you, your partner, Beth, and your partners family. That's fine too.

Like you said, Anne is fine. She's got the support she needs in life and lives comfortably so you giving Beth that extra attention isn't going to hurt Anne in any way. She may bitch and moan about it but I would tell her that you're not a 16 year old and that's your sister that you love and care about. If she wants to be a child she can but not to tell you how to live your life.

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SOSovereignOP•

Thank you for your comment.

This is going to be my plan I think - I just need to accept the fact that Anne is going to try and guilt me and hang my nieces over my head - but I have to be an adult and accept that I'm not going to make everyone happy.

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Tess27795Advice Oracle [133]•

Get Beth help. Get her to go to therapy. She can start with a doctor and they can point her in the right direction. Yes this is expensive but if you want this family to get together, it could be a game changer.

Hopefully, if Anne knows Beth is doing something she will ease up. When we have children we tend to be a lot more careful with difficult relatives. Leaving at 17 because of her sister probably hurt a lot.

You are right not to abandon Beth. Navigating this will not be easy. I would talk to Anne once Beth is getting therapy. Perhaps you can start getting Anne and Beth together without the children at first.

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SOSovereignOP•

That is my plan. I don’t have any illusions about Beth’s problems and that she needs help. My support doesn’t come without those stipulations. Beth is getting an apartment nearby my girlfriend and I and we plan to help her get therapy and meds. She is more open to getting this help than she ever has been before.

It just feels like when my family continues to choose her second, they nurture the feelings that have made her be the mess she is. Like an addict who burns all their support systems - what point is there in getting help if everyone’s given up on you?

I’m trying so hard to be enough for her to want to be better. It just sucks that Anne treats my support her of as if I’m enabling her and failing my nieces.

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Tess27795Advice Oracle [133]•

Anne is still stuck with her resentment. I am hoping seeing Beth get help will wake her up.

If not, tell her she needs therapy to deal with it.

Thank you for trying for Beth. So many are left alone.

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SOSovereignOP•

It is an issue that Anne holds grudges - not just with Beth sadly. We see it with many of her friendships and relationships. She takes imagined slights and writes people off (often without discussing her feelings with them). It happened to me when I didn't call on my nieces birthday (Nevermind that I was at her house the night before!) Everyone in the family is aware of this part of her but nobody does anything.

Thank you for your kind words.

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Tess27795Advice Oracle [133]•

Best of luck.

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Background-Cow8401Helper [4]•

Best course of action is to have seperate holidays. Anne does not need to forgive Beth nor allow Beth in her home. You can continue to support Beth and your parents will have to find a compromise when it is family events or holiday dinners.

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SOSovereignOP•

This is how I feel too - but it doesn't Stop Anne from continuing to make me feel like a crappy uncle and an enabler for doing this.

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LibrekriegerEnlightened Advice Sage [171]•

I'd strongly reconsider "holidays" as family times. You can host your parents and anyone else you want on other occasions, and anne won't try to steal the spotlight. Eventually, you can get to the point where relationships drive your family interactions most of the time, instead of holiday tradition. I believe it's healthy.

Then you can go to Anne's on Christmas and whenever, without everyone feeling like those occasions dominate.

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SOSovereignOP•

This has become more and more clear to me in the last few months. I shouldn't have any obligation to spend holidays with people I don't want to. They do not have to be committed to my family because they're family.

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LockWarde•

"I understand Anne is within her rights to set boundaries with Beth."

It stops right there.

You don't have to see Anne. Right there too.

I'm having a event at my house, Beth will be there. If you want to come.

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DenseYear2713Helper [2]•

Until your sisters want to talk, there is nothing you can do. There is nothing wrong with being a support system for Beth, though you should try to convince her to get therapy.

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SOSovereignOP•

Therapy is the plan. We are working on getting her one and getting her to a psychiatrist to have an honest look at medication.

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SOSovereignOP•

As I said, I don't blame Anne for how she feels. Despite adding that you still feel the need to throw this in there. Nobody said Anne needs to forgive her. Nowhere did I mention forcing that.

This sort of judgement is exactly what I was talking about. You act like I am enabling Beth with trying to make space for her. When people make mistakes should they just be condemned for the rest of their life? Are they not worthy of being supported? And you curiously glossed right over Anne trying to guilt me for what I am doing and the toxic nonsense she continues to pull on us.

Who said she was bipolar? Lot of assumption there.

Thanks for the advice I suppose.

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SOSovereignOP•

You literally admit that you are blaming Anne for Beth's mental illness

That isn't what I said. My entire statement is about my parents. I blame them for her mental illness.

I have had lots of empathy for my sister over the years. However she shows no empathy for anyone else in all aspects of life, especially not how this affects my family. My parents have been in turmoil over this for years and Anne does not care. It is hard to empathize with her when it has been the same story from her and the guilt trips for YEARS.

The comment about the start of resentment was about the entirety of the childhood story - you are splitting hairs here.

And lastly, these events happened 16 years ago, it is ridiculous to say her life is ruined right now - and everyone in the family saw it for what is what in the moment.

You will feel how you want though. Thanks for your reply.

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