Wagner Boss Claims Russia’s Mission Accomplished in Ukraine
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thedailybeast.comPosted Apr 15, 2023, 6:10 AM UTC
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thedailybeast.comHe should stay away from windows
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And stick to ground floors in general. Too bad his place will burn down when he forgets to extinguish his cigarette before going to sleep, even if he doesn't actually smoke.
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But he should also beware of bricks occasionally falling from roofs
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And don't drink tea, there are many contaminated ones in russia.
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Also don't eat food.
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Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin says Russia has already accomplished its goals in Ukraine—but must keep fighting even if it means humiliating defeat so that the country can ultimately rise again as a “war monster” that the international community will bow down to.
After recruiting thousands of prison inmates to help fight the war for Vladimir Putin and using his shadow army to emerge as a rival to Russia’s top military brass, the mercenary boss and Kremlin-linked businessman offered his thoughts on the state of the war in a lengthy article published Friday. In addition to predicting that Russia would ultimately come back stronger than ever, Prigozhin appeared to admit that Ukraine may win its territories back, acknowledged that the Kremlin’s plan had failed, and predicted a full-blown revolution in Russia.
“For the authorities and for society as a whole, it is necessary today to put a decisive end to the [special military operation.] The ideal scenario is to announce the end of the [special military operation], to inform everyone that Russia has achieved the results that it planned, and in a sense we have actually achieved them. We have ground down a huge number of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and we can report that the tasks of the [special military operation] have been completed,” he wrote.
He claimed that “in theory,” Russia had already put a decisive end to the war by wiping out a huge chunk of Ukraine’s male population, sending refugees fleeing, and seizing territory. Omitted, of course, was that the same could be said about Russia on the first two points.
And bizarrely, amidst all of his pontificating, Prigozhin appeared to admit that Ukrainian territories seized by Russia aren’t actually with Moscow “forever,” as the Kremlin has so often claimed.
Ukraine stands to lose if the war comes to a standstill, he said, because “those territories, that are today under the control of the Russian Federation, can stay at the disposal of the Russian Federation for years.”
Lest anyone think he’s suggesting Russia should call it quits, however, Prigozhin went on to cheer on a planned counteroffensive by Ukraine—saying “the sooner it starts, the better.”
But he admitted the result could prove catastrophic to Russia, saying it’s “not very likely” Moscow could launch a “colossal counteroffensive” of its own and take territory deeper into Ukraine.
He also acknowledged that “many of those who initially supported [the war], are now doubtful, or categorically opposed to what’s happening,” and confessed that Russia “could not achieve the results that society expected.”
If Ukraine’s counteroffensive manages to break through Russian defenses, he said, “an army that for years considered itself one of the best in the world” would be thoroughly demoralized.
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In that case, he said, “global changes in Russian society” could lead to an all-out revolution as pro-war patriots seek revenge against bureaucrats and figures who were either critical of the war or reluctant to use harsher battlefield methods.
His solution, strangely, is for Russia to let itself sink to rock bottom by doubling down even further despite its myriad losses over the past year. According to him, that’s America’s worst nightmare, because “if Russia gets to the bottom, then it will push off from there … and float back up like a huge sea monster, demolishing everything in its path, including the plans of the United States.”
He appeared to shrug off further losses and even a “battering” of the Russian military, saying Russia would simply “lick its wounds” if defeated in a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
“Russia cannot accept any agreement, only a fair fight. And if we come out of this battle battered, there is nothing to worry about.”
His comments came the same day classified U.S. documents said Russian special forces had been decimated fighting the war against Ukraine. Separately, a joint investigation by the independent media outlet MediaZona and the BBC's Russian service counted 20,451 Russian troops killed so far in the war. The true number is thought to be significantly higher, as that tally includes only those confirmed through open source data.
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I know what will make ships faster; sink them first....
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Usually accelerationism is more of a far left ideology, but you know, if you keep digging, you might find gold./s
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[Russia] must keep fighting even if it means humiliating defeat…
Think we can ignore the rest as cope-padding.
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to inform everyone that Russia has achieved the results that it planned
Technically they would be announcing Russia planned the results they achieved.
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Prigozhin is not a “founder of any PMC”, he is the fucking war criminal, even by russian law. But for some reason even couple of the people I know they are jusitifying him, saying “tough times requires tough solutions”, “better the prisoners than your children” and so on. Fucking brainwashed idiots.
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In a few months, he‘ll be the guy who smiles into a TV camera saying that they have totally won the war while in the background a Ukrainian Leopard tank is rolling through the image. Comical Yevgeni.
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"There are no Ukrainian troops in Baghdadkhmut. Never!"
- Bakhmut Bob
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Iraq callback?
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Of course his main interest is for the war to go on. The fact that this could have the effect of having Russia as a renewed beast that the USA will fear is kind of delusional. The main problem with Russia is a declining population that in the long term is going to take to its dissolution. Having a lot of young men dying in the war isn't going to help the population decline either.
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In summary: stop now while you can quit the "special operation" claiming you did it since continuing can lead to the end.
Apparently all the claimed Russian military force showed to be a bluff cause you can have men and equipments but means nothing if you are not able to manage them ( something known from the roman times).
But will zar Volodia listen?
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Tsar Vova won't listen! He cannot listen in fact! All he can do now, if he doesn't want to look weak - which is a (at least political) death sentence to him, is to push and push until the bitter end. Whatever that end might be.
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Unfortunately I got to agree: so many like him, in the past, commited political suicide cause they lived in another dimension.
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I read the title as "Warner Bros ..." and my brain shut down.
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That's all, folks..
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If there is one man Puttin probably can't accident, it's this guy.
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I’m sure the Ministry of Defense and Shoigu are trying anyway though
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Let them have their narrative in their own news as long as it means that the war comes to an end and no more innocent people die.
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war will end when Russia gets kicked out of the Ukrainian lands they occupied , not when Russian leadership decides they had enough
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Ukrainian blood is not infinite.
Ukraine is a big and proud nation of 40 million people, they wont give up and they will continue to fight the invaders who came to their land to destroy and kill.
War ends when we stop sending them free weapons and free money
lol ''free'', its not free and never was. Its money and weapons well spend by destroying West's biggest enemy after China, and doing so by paying relatively little and not sacrificing a single Western soldier. Its a investment and a very good one at that
Western power can turn its back on people quick, ask the Kurds.
''Kurds'' is not a country and nor do they had anything of value to offer for fighting 3 different countries on their behalf
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Obviously the war can't end until after the Ukrainian counter offensives. Then we will see the terms.
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I’ll believe it when I see him on aircraft carrier with a banner
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He should say that while on board their only aircraft carrier…
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Does it even matter what they say at this point? sanctions are staying and Ukraine is still gonna fight with all the new gear they are getting.
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Russia (leadership, not people) has made himself into a joke. Once so glorious, with the Ukraine war everyone did see the real (military) Russia. It's bat shit crazy and totally incompetent. I think it's time for a revolution, those people deserve better. In fact everyone does.
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Lol.
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Accomplished 😂😂 only in thinning out the jails and basic population.
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He’s like an alcoholic who knows his drinking is unsustainable and can’t wait to hit rock bottom. Not so that he can positively change but so that he can become an even worse raging alcoholic.
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I read this as “Warner Bros” when I scanned it
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Am I the only one who read the title as "Warner Bros"
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Great! Piss off home, then.
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So this is in fact their goal. To be again a fucking monster feared by the entire world. Not protecting Russian speaking people, not fighting nazis, not fighting US imperialism... like some delusional westerners think. NO! They just want to be feared again! They just want the entire world to tremble in front of them.
Fucking psychopaths!!!
The funny thing is though that the world was a lot more fearful of them before the shit show last year, now they are a joke. They should never have shown their hand.
Not even them realized they are in fact bluffing.
Rolled a Nat20 on deception
I mean. Both can be true. Both are true. I'm weary of my neighbour's cat-sized dog. It looks funny, is small as frick and i could probably kill it by stepping on it, but the vicious thing has sharp teeth and thinks it's the size of a bear. We have yet to agree whether or not the thing is a threat.
I have a dog very much like your neighbors dog, and trust me they can certainly fuck your ankles up.
Oh, I was talking about Russia. Kinda. I'm Finnish.
Ya they can hurt us. But they're also a lot less impressive than we thought. Constant yapping and all that. Occasionally absurdly funny. And we can definitely hurt them back so... Not sure if they're just barking. Or a threat.
Only because you are unwilling to harm it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They want to be the Nazis
Then I hope they will have the original Nazis fate too.
Russians were never punished for any war crime , genocide or offensive war in history. the people of Russia will never face consequences...that's just how they are allways treated.
We will say "haha russia lost the war" and Russia will confirm it, "we were defeated by the Evil Ukrainians and the west, Russia is the victim of another outside invader in crimea and Donbas again."
but in reality they just destroyed a country and lost none of the land they owned ...they are just denied an expansion and given an opportunity to expabd into weaker neighbours like Georgia or Even Moldavia...or prepare second attempt against Ukraine.
There are no consequences for Russia . -no reparation -no regime change -no loss of Land -no partition into new states -no persecution of rapists,torturers,genociders, robers,kidnappers -no occupation -no closure of military forces
why would they not try more expansions? I would do then all the time under those conditions . if have nothing to lose...
Well neither UK was and they changed drastically. Admittedly they don't had a dictatorship since a very long time while Russia had only dictators in its entire history.
Invited to work in the USA or settling in Brazil/Argentina?
It's the very same thing that the alt-righters spew: beta-males suck, you need to be alpha male that Mikhailas of the world will fear and crave. 1:1 translation of the same ideology that many men around the world find fascinating extrapolated to the state levels.
Then I really hope they will be leveled in Ukraine by the "Gay West" weapons. So they'll realize who's the Alpha anything in Europe!
Being feared is much less profitable and much more difficult. Two years ago Europe was happy to buy Russian oil and sell them almost anything. Now many firms won’t even run a Russian office. Won’t sell them anything. Buy as little oil and gas from them as possible. What could they even hope to gain from Ukraine that is worth more than they were gaining from trade with Europe?
You're seeing this from a different perspective. They don't give a damn about that. They already have tons of money and don't care about the commoners. They care about their EMPIRE! About GLORY! About BEING FEARED!
Obviously as long as other people die for these goals.
If a person's actions run contrary to your values, the reason is they have different values. Europe understands its international relations through economics. It's a mistake to project that calculus onto every other country in the world.
Russia isn't just a country, it's a civilization state, whose civilization is floundering. It's being squeezed on both sides from civilizations far more successful than itself, the EU in the west and China in the east. It's the rump state of a 20th century superpower. It deserves glory, but has none.
Imagine a future in which Central Europe is the only western liberal democracy left on the planet, and it is surrounded by stronger, richer neighbours that have all shifted into some other political, cultural, and civilizational paradigm, western Europe, the Mediterranean, eastern Europe, Scandinavia, are all some hostile ideology now. They'll leave you well enough alone if you play by their rules but become promptly hostile whenever you try to assert yourself regionally or intentionally. How resentful do you think you would be if you were a central European?
I'm from Romania. A country weird enough to be Latin speaking in Eastern Europe. To be squished between 3 empires most of its existence and far beyond that. We know how it is. And you know what? We do our best, not exactly stellar but that's what we can, to be better than how we were. Russia's better is just to have more land and to kill entire populations.
protecting Russian speaking people....lol I wonder why they don't want to be in Russia ... Russia is way less save than where ever they are now . even other dictator ships have less Russians falling through windows than Russia .
Kazahstan looks like a great place for example. Since a lot of Russians live there and don't exactly need protection. I mean as long as Putin doesn't need to protect them. But somehow Ukraine having an agreement with EU was a terrible threat for those poor Russians in Ukraine. Obviously they must have been thrilled by all the protective bombs they got over their homes now.
Seriously . It's a fantastic dictatorship. You keep your mouth shut, and let the leadership get all the money and they leave you alone. While in Russia you get killed for some weird war against people that are allegedly your brothers ... I think the Russia really is a below average level dictatorship. When even Kazahstan keeps better to the Russians than Russia ...
The way the far right fetishizes authoritarianism and tyranny is frightening.
The frightening thing is how the far left is in the same bed with them today too. Just like in 1939.
Both doing anything to destroy democracy, while parroting doing it for "freedom".
Many folks don’t understand that George Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning to average citizens that liberal (in the classic sense) western nations were capable of embracing totalitarianism. Orwell had become disillusioned with leftist idealism when he fought against fascism in the Spanish Civil War. The dystopian government of Oceania was not the result of a coup or an invasion, but the evolution of the liberal governments of the UK and the US and their respective “empires” from 1939 to the end result in 1984.
I'm quite aware about that.
It's the only way they can keep power. Extremists don't survive long in functioning democracies because they are fundamentally incompetent and always represent a minority.
So he says to pack up so the world stops laughing at their incompetence
Actually, I think most Western nations now fear them less than before. Before the war, we thought that Russia had a capable army with tons of T-14 and Felons. Now it’s clear that the Russian army sucks. Russia can’t even take Ukraine which is still fighting with Soviet crap and a few Western weapons. Now image Russia trying to fight NATO - an alliance that has not only more soldiers, but also far better weapon systems.
That was the main reason behind Iraq invasion too.
Conquest of new lands for mother USA? Please, don't use that flair. It's ridiculous for you guys to use false flags. Seriously! It shows weakness.