Negative Embeddings Matter....A LOT (A Comparison)

Been following the cookie cutter negative prompt with multiple negative embeddings for months without knowing their actual effect. Really surprised with the differences. I think my personal sweet spot for general purpose might end up being badpicturechill:0.5 + easyneg:0.5. Ngdeepneg is kind of a wildcard for me due to its inconsistencies, and it'll be at 1 if I do use it. The results are phenomenal when it doesn't fuck things up tho. Btw, I know that there are a lot of defects in these images and I'm really only posting them for comparison's sake. Just feels dirty posting without photoshopping/inpainting. Also, bad_prompt_version2 isn't included in this test because I've previously tested it and it's....shit (subjective opinion of course). Creates really flat lighting and lacks texture. For the stronger version of badpicturechill (bad-picture-chill-75v), it's unusable due to oversaturation and deepfrying. Might test other neg embeds in the future.

Here's the workflow according to image order:

1. Prompt matrix script. https://i.imgur.com/ZUSvfFP.png Best quality,masterpiece,ultra high res,(photorealistic:1.4),lora:epiNoiseoffset\_v2:1.2,1girl,(dark contrast:1.10),(shiny eyes:1.10),(dark nearside:1.10),detailed natural skin texture,rpg dark fantasy city,damp city streets,standing in the middle of an abandoned alley,moody,bokeh,(depth of field:1.10),natural light source,halfrear lit,soft rim light,dark environment,dim key light from farside,dramatic,glow,light bloom,volumetric fog,haze,dim lights in the background,radiosity,hard shadows,film grain,medium focal length,50mm lens,rule of thirds,ponytail,robe,looking to the side,small breasts Negative prompt: low quality:1.4,worst quality:1.4,hard light,flash lighting,monochrome,greyscale,signature,watermark | bad-picture-chill-32v Steps: 30, Sampler: DPM++ SDE Karras, CFG scale: 6.5, Seed: 459337990, Size: 768x768, Model hash: d819c8be6b, Model: majicmixRealistic_v4, Denoising strength: 0.25, Hires upscale: 1.5, Hires upscaler: None
2. X/Y/Z plot script. https://i.imgur.com/quMx5cg.png Best quality,masterpiece,ultra high res,(photorealistic:1.4),1girl,lora:epiNoiseoffset\_v2:1.5,(dark contrast:1.10),(shiny eyes:1.10),(dark nearside:1.10),detailed natural skin texture,rpg dark fantasy rundown dirty train interior,walking down the middle,late evening,moody,bokeh,(depth of field:1.10),natural light source,halfrear lit,soft rim light,dark environment,upstage low key,dramatic,glow,light bloom,volumetric fog,haze,dim lights in the background,hard shadows,film grain,radiosity,medium focal length,50mm lens,rule of thirds,ponytail,small breasts Negative prompt: none,low quality:1.4,worst quality:1.4,hard light,flash lighting,signature,watermark Steps: 30, Sampler: DPM++ SDE Karras, CFG scale: 7, Seed: 3110753962, Size: 768x768, Model hash: d819c8be6b, Model: majicmixRealistic_v4, Denoising strength: 0.25, Hires upscale: 1.5, Hires upscaler: None
3. X/Y/Z plot script. https://i.imgur.com/qkDzVmx.png Best quality,masterpiece,ultra high res,(photorealistic:1.4),1girl,lora:epiNoiseoffset\_v2:1.5,(dark contrast:1.10),(sparkly shiny eyes:1.10),(dark nearside:1.10),detailed natural skin texture,overlooking rpg dark fantasy city outskirts,damp textures, unending vast rpg cityscape,late sun setting over mountain range,moody,bokeh,(depth of field:1.10),natural light source,halfrear lit,soft rim light,dim environment,upstage low key,dramatic,glow,light bloom,volumetric fog,haze,dim lights in the background,hard shadows,film grain,radiosity,medium focal length,50mm lens,rule of thirds,ponytail,small breasts,risque,high perspective,facing sunside,looking at viewer Negative prompt: none,low quality:1.4,worst quality:1.4,hard light,flash lighting,signature,watermark Steps: 30, Sampler: DPM++ SDE Karras, CFG scale: 7, Seed: 3932093722, Size: 768x768, Model hash: d819c8be6b, Model: majicmixRealistic_v4, Denoising strength: 0.25, Hires upscale: 1.5, Hires upscaler: None
4. X/Y/Z plot script. https://i.imgur.com/6xwtz5f.png Best quality,masterpiece,ultra high res,(photorealistic:1.4),1girl,lora:epiNoiseoffset\_v2:1.2,(dark contrast:1.10),(shiny eyes:1.10),(dark nearside:1.10),(deep shadows:1.10),(natural light source from dim moon backlighting),detailed natural skin texture,wuxia dark fantasy,walking down an abandoned old broken chinese village,damp path,carrying a long spear,gloomy,ominous,moody,bokeh,(depth of field:1.10),(dark environment),dramatic,glow,light bloom,volumetric fog,haze,hard shadows,film grain,radiosity,wide angle,50mm lens,rule of thirds,ponytail,small breasts,risque Negative prompt: none,low quality:1.4,worst quality:1.4,hard light,flash lighting,bright,daylight,signature,watermark Steps: 30, Sampler: DPM++ SDE Karras, CFG scale: 6, Seed: 2916001380, Size: 768x768, Model hash: d819c8be6b, Model: majicmixRealistic_v4, Denoising strength: 0.25, Hires upscale: 1.5, Hires upscaler: None

Fyi, I kept hi-res denoising fairly low and ignored upscaler for consistency.

That moment when you see some of your work show up on on the subreddit 🥲

(I'm the author of the bad-picture-chill negative embeddings)

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While there is a difference I wouldn't say any picture in particular is better than the others.

Interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing 🙏

I almost always use "bad-artist" as a negative (not on civitai anymore I think). I'm curious how it would perform compared to these ones.

Forgive the noob question but do these keywords work out of the box or does one have to use a model/lora to get them to work?

I vastly prefer the ones without negatives.

They just make it look more like a generic sexy woman, not interesting.

Ok you made me try to check my embeddings

ng_deepnegative_v1_75t|bad-artist-anime|EasyNegativeV2|bad_prompt_version2|bad-image-v2-39000|bad-artist|bad-hands-5|Unspeakable-Horrors-Composition-4v

This should be fun

One day I was wondering what was wrong with my images, the model didn't seem to be working as well. Turns out some idiot forgot to put in his standard negative prompt 😒

Tbh it doesn't really look any better

Hmm. I have found it hard to get a person to not stare into the camera. Seems maybe these negative prompts are causing that? Or just a coincidence here?