Victimhood mentality: woman claimed to be a 9/11 survivor and a widow. Eventually exposed as a fraud.
nypost.com/2012/03/25/she-wasnt-there/Posted May 5, 2023, 1:51 PM UTC
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Anyone who says that "no one would ever lie about x topic" is either cripplingly naive or lying themselves. If there is anything to be gained by lying there will inevitably be someone that values that thing enough to concoct a lie.
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Not to mention that pathological liars exist.
We've all had that one friend that just makes shit up for no apparent reason.
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When they say "no one" they obviously don't literally mean "no one" they are acting in good faith and generalizing for you because you are simply too stupid to deal with the burden of thinking that some people do x, if you knew that you might disagree with them and they need to protect you from that! Because you are stupid!
Just kidding, nobody does that!
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Though rotund and not typically pretty, she had what so many others lacked: presence.
LMAO. Give this man a Pulitzer.
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This is obviously a fringe minority of people, and is not unique to women or the wokes. But I think a good bit of the "psychology" behind feminism and other woke movements is to frame yourself as a victim to receive sympathy, help, and other benefits in society.
This article talks about a condition called pseudologia fantastica, a form of pathological lying.
In these cases it's not always about money, but instead comes from a psychological need for attention and sympathy. And I feel like you see this a lot in woke spaces.
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Men don't do it nearly as much because no one gives a shit about men. It has to be something like stolen valor, and even then it's not terribly common (although I guess that varies depending on time frame).
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Should we be treating Tania as a trailblazer who opened doors for white women to lie and grift off fake identities to make them more "oppressed"? Like we see with all those "indigenous"female academics being exposed as frauds over the last couple years?
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https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.820923/full
Check out all of the references and meta studies—the experiment near the top seemed small to me, but if you scroll through to about midway it goes into a lot of established research. I opened and thumbed through a lot of them and did more research on Google. The evidence points clearly in the direction of the opposite of what you’re saying—men lie more in almost every category. The only time women were noted to have an uptick, enough to be inconclusive (and only in a few studies—the one I’m pasting at the bottom says men lie more than women in all of the categories, period) is when it’s a Pareto white lie (beneficial to another person AND themselves) or to make the other party feel better, even if it leads to adverse consequences for the liar.
Thinking of Madoff, Enron’s Skilling and all the other notorious pathological liars that were male, I don’t know how you came to that conclusion & so I looked into it. I think there’s the trope of men with secret familes for a reason. anecdotally, I have also witnessed many more male serial liars than women. Not that women are above reproach because I’ve definitely noticed a couple
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Who said anything about women?
Did you forget what sub you're on?
This is peak idpol buddy.
We're talking about feminists, not women.
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You did.
This is obviously a fringe minority of people, and is not unique to women or the wokes. But I think a good bit of the "psychology" behind feminism and other woke movements is to frame yourself as a victim to receive sympathy,
You said this is not unique to women or the wokes, even though it's psychology is pretty common in feminist and other woke movements.
You equated the relation of women to feminism, as you did of woke people to woke movements.
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Uh no I went out of my way to say that wasn't the case.
Not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists.
You're the one making that association in your head.
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I think it’s funny how you don’t see that you’re deeply, deeply steeped in idpol. Even stupidpol. Like the other user says, you literally said “not unique to women or wokes.” And not all feminism is stupidpol feminism. A brief look at your profile on safari browser shows the entire first page of your comments is ranting about this issue! I’m clearly talking to a Crusader: watch out that you don’t end up on that stupidpol sub ;) Yet I’m peak idpol because you discerned that I’m a chick with my avatar & I challenged your rootless, specific belief with cited studies and ended it with “not that women are above reproach”
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It's a mental disorder called Munchausen Syndrome and it's been diagnosed for hundreds of years.
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I can even see where that comes from. You tried it with honesty 5 times, dont get even scraps, then you straight out lie and the world finally listens to you.
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Is anyone else thinking of Larry on Curb Your Enthusiasm…who called out the guy who annonces (sheds a small tear) that his brother died on 9/11….but it turns out he was jaywalking early in the morning, before the planes and was clipped by a speeding cab….
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What a brave Latinx woman.
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Why can't she just be normal and just pretend to be Cherokee or something instead, smh.
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Stolen valor but for tragedies instead of combat experience.
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I remember walking around Manhattan that fateful morning, wading through blood and bones, searching for my brother.
Turns out he was in northern Canada.
Damn must have been a pretty violent collision to end up in northern Canada
Some folks dispute the official narrative. For example, in some photos of 7 World Trade Center the shadow of the building isn’t really long enough given the time of day the photo was taken.
I say either way it’s still terrible.
Two people or two thousand, it’s still a tragedy
Look, we all know that within the smoke and ashes that were billowing from Ground Zero one could find the sad remains of human souls; souls which once had dreams, and once loved.
👆🏻 And this guy says it’s all a bunch of horseshit!
That must have been awful.
Did you suffer any health problems from breathing in all the dust?
The dust was certainly unpleasant but the worst part was probably the hypocrisy
No apparent health problems, he quit dust when the price climbed.
Damn reminds me of that tragedy
Still, 9/11 was a national tragedy.
Reminds me of that tragedy