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thaek

Need help picking graphic card for new PC

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I build a new PC about 1 month ago with the following specs:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D

ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI

G.Skill 64 GB DDR5-6000-CL30

be quiet! Dark Power 13 1000W

be quiet! Silent Loop 2 AIO 280mm

WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe (will replace with PCIE 5 SSD once reasonably priced)

My PC has a multitude of functions:

Workstation / Gamer PC with Keyboard and Mouse / Gamer PC Connected to my OLED TV and is connected to the following two Displays:

TV: LG C1 77" at 4K 120FPS 10-bit HDR

PC Monitor: Will buy new 4k 120hz/144hz (maybe 240) 10-bit HDR OLED PC Monitor once they are available (with DP 2.x connection), in the meantime I'm using my old 1440p 60HZ display.

Because I think the high end Nvidia Graphic cards are extremly overpriced and don't have DP 2.0 I initially decided to reuse the Asus RTX 3070 from my old PC and skip the 40 Series. But with the recent games I played 8GB Vram was a major issue, namely in the following Games:

- Resident Evil 4

- Hogwarts Legacy

- The Last of Us

- Jedi Survivor

- Dead Space Remake

- Forza Horizon 5

While I was mostly happy enough with the performance results at 4K with DLSS (Performance - Quality depending on game) and without Ray Tracing the VRAM was a major issue and this card is no longer good enough to play 2023 games at high settings. After getting burned on VRAM I decided 16GB is the absolute minimum (would prefer more for future proofing), this brings me to the followings options here in Switzerland (1 CHF = 1.11 USD):

RTX 3090 second hand

I already decided on this option and bought a 3090 for CHF 630 second hand on EBay. The card was defective and I'm now stuck returning it via Ebay buyer protection, it's a complete shitshow and caused my a lot of payne and suffering which I don't want to go into detail right now. I will definitly not buy second hand again. This is why I now only consider buying a new card:

1) MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X OC CHF 1500-1550 (or Palit, Gainward would also fit and at around same price) with 3 Year Warranty

Looking at the current Nvidia Line Up the 4090 seams like to only "real" option to me. The 3 4070/70Ti are already obsolete because there is too little VRAM for the games I want to play, the 4080 costs too much for just 16GB of VRAM. Which leaves the 4090 as the only option that one can buy new.

The bigger cards will not fit my current case and I don't plan on replacing it. So now the issue is: All 4090 cards (with the exception of the extremly oversized Asus cards) only have 1x HDMI 2.1 port, all the other ports are DP 1.4 which will not be able to deliver 4k 120hz 10bit/hdr. I would need at least to HDMI 2.1 ports to connect both my TV and PC monitor.

Paying such a high price that will already not have enough connections to fullfill my requirements doesn't sound great to me that's why it looks like I will also need to have a look at the reasonable AMD line up.

2) PowerColor Hellhound AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB for CHF 915 with 2 Year Warranty

The price is a lot more reasonable on this one and it has DisplayPort 2.1. But no DLSS and only FSR :-( With the limited RT performance compared to Nvidia i could probably make due, but DLSS is the major caveat. Alternative to this would be a SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 7900 XTX Pulse for CHF 950 with 3 Year Warranty.

3) Asrock AMD Radeon RX 6950 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC for CHF 590 with 2 year Warranty

Because both of the above options are expensive compromises I think another option would be to get a great value deal to sit this generation out. I would only use this card until I can replace it with a new gen card that will hopefully have everything I need (DLSS+DisplayPort2+Enough VRAM).

Difficulty deciding

What makes it extremly difficult for me to decide:

- I absolutely love DLSS, and I think I will be unhappy with FSR, but since Nvidia doesn't have any decent cards available it makes the decision not that easy.

- How bad is DSC really, from what I read it is often extremly buggy will create dropouts and is only "visually lossless" which is a marketing term for it's actually lossy but most people in most circumstances will not notice it.

While I could affort a 1700$ card I don't really want to spend that much unless absolutely necessary and getting a future proofed setup. Which the 4090 doesn't seam to be with DP 1.4 ports.

Posted May 6, 2023, 9:50 AM UTC · edited

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Electro_Bird•

Damn what 4K texture packs are you using

Also I recommend 7900xtx bcuz it is best value and has enough vram, however if NVIDIA exclusive features matter that much to you I’d buy a previous gen card or wait it out until the a 4090 or the next NVIDIA Titan card comes with the features you want

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Void-Tyrant•

I recommand RX 7900 XTX. It has lots of Vram to run games in 4k and great performance to price ratio.

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Searexpro•

I can’t speak to the 4090 TI or the 7900 XTX, but I have used the 3090, the 3090 TI, and 6950 XT this generation (all targeting 4k 60hz, so I am not shooting for super high framerates).

I have always considered moving from Nvidia to AMD for the value proposition, but finally made the jump when there was a good deal on Newegg for the 6950 XT (I think it was $575 and came with an extra copy of TLOU), so I bit the bullet and have been totally happy with it’s performance. On the games I have been playing, it performs somewhere between the 3090 and the 3090 TI. But the thing that will likely have me going with AMD in the future is there software, which I prefer in every way over Nvidia’s.

I don’t like FSR very at lower resolutions (like on the steam deck), but have been just as happy with it at 4k as I am with DLSS.

If 4k 120hz is important to you, I think your only real option is the 4090, and that will likely need frame generation on some of the games you are playing. But if you are ok with 60+ frames per second and just looking for a good value while you wait for the next generation of video cards to hit a true 120fps at 4k, I’d go with AMD and get the 7900 XTX (which will not need FSR on the games you are playing; or get the 6950 XT, but it will need FSR quality mode on at least some of the games you are playing).

Best of luck with whatever you do!

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thaekOP•

Thanks guys for all the suggestions!

I basically already decided to buy the 7900 XTX for the better value deal. But than today I stumbled upon a MSI RTX 4090 (brand new from decent store) deal for essentially CHF 1340. Which is still a premium over the 7900 XTX, but considering the added performance and nvidia features with this steep discount this seamed worth it to me. The big downside that I will have to use DP 1.4 with DSC on my Desktop Monitor, but I guess I will have to make sure to get a monitor where DSC is working great.

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