Reddit API Changes, what that means for /r/ValorantCompetitive, and Subreddit Blackout

Announcement

Hi folks,

If you have not already heard about it, Reddit has announced that on July 1st, they are changing API pricing.

What this means, TLDR:

  • 3rd party apps will become extremely expensive to run (the Apollo developer announced $20MM/year costs). This means that starting July 1st, most third party apps like Apollo, Boost, RiF, etc.. will shut down or start charging expensive subscriptions to keep up with the costs.
  • The NSFW API is getting shut down. The only way to access content will be through the official app/website. What this means is that a LOT of moderation tools and practices that moderators use to keep their users safe will not continue to work.

Potential Impact on r/ValorantCompetitive

Now, you must be wondering what is the impact on this community.

ValorantCompBot & rib.gg bot

  • no more rib.gg stats and PMTs
  • no more upcoming matches in the sidebar
  • no more Sentinels countdown
  • Additionally, our new upcoming Pickems feature in collaboration with vlr.gg to replace Predictions (RIP), would likely never see the light of day.
    • We are working hard behind the scenes to make everything more automated, so that we could focus on what matters: making this subreddit a welcoming place for all Valorant esports fans. These changes would stop all of this effort.

Moderation

  • The mod team uses a browser extension called the Mod Toolbox, and it uses the reddit API extensively. While reddit has said the mod toolbox will be safe, there is no assurance this won't change in the future.
  • The official reddit app is not adequate for moderation. As of today, most of our mods use third party apps to moderate, which will disappear come July 1st.

Old reddit

While reddit has not talked about old reddit in a while, this change has made everyone scared for the survival of old reddit - which quite a few users, and most moderators on the website still use today.

Blackout

Folks at r/ModCoord have written an open letter detailing the moderator community's disapproval of the change.

Part of the initiative will be a Subreddit Blackout set to start on June 12th and go on until June 14th. Here is a list of participating subs.

While we know this hits right in the middle of Masters Tokyo, the API changes will impact our moderation team heavily. It is our goal to foster a community that is open and accepting, but that requires a certain level of dedicated moderation.

The changes will make moderating more difficult - comments will be stuck in queue longer, reaction to disruptive members will be slower, containing controversies that are not related to Competitive Valorant will be harder to achieve. Big events such as Masters Tokyo are a busy time for us as moderators and they bring a lot of traffic that ultimately needs to be looked at and examined carefully to ensure it fits with the community standards. Blacking out the sub is not just for our specific use case of the mod tools, but for the health of what we have established as acceptabe code of conduct with each other.

As moderators, we are unpaid volunteer and thus we have few tools to communicate with Reddit. While discussions happen in r/modnews, most complaints are lost on admins and we have little leverage to work with. By participating we hope to make it clear to Reddit that this will make moderation harder, and ultimately will make Reddit a worse place to build communities. This black out is a move in solidarity with every other community that values and believes that Reddit is it's communities, not it's investors - if moderators are not here to keep communities safe, and users can't share our passions, Reddit ceases to exist.

r/ValorantCompetitive will be participating in the blackout, and will go dark on June 12th.

What you can do to support this

We encourage you to participate in the blackout as users - for the duration, try to stay away from reddit as much as possible, especially if you are used to using a third party app. Stay off reddit.

Reach out to Reddit via the channels available to you: Modmail r/reddit, comment in relevant posts regarding the API changes, submit your comments via the contact forms.

Participate in the communities that highlight this issue: r/Save3rdPartyApps, r/apolloapp, r/redditisfun, r/getnarwhal/, r/ModCoord


Thanks for your understanding,

The r/ValorantCompetitive Mod Team

Posted Jun 5, 2023, 9:37 PM UTC · edited

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CruelGMS•

Can’t wait to explore the depth of vlr forum for 2 days, will be a first experience for me

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LiamHundley:100T::BU:•

All my homies love collective action

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SadzeihOP:FNC::VIT::C9::GRD::TL: i make the bot go beep boop•

Can't believe y'all let the french person be the one to announce we're striking

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sarcopels:100T::EG::DSG::KCORP::Pride-NB::Pride-B::SEN:•

imagine being french

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_goodman:FNC:•

Hope they took away your lighter & matches

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sarcopels:100T::EG::DSG::KCORP::Pride-NB::Pride-B::SEN:•

real!

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Feisty_Dig_7834:KCORP::BBL::FUT::C9::TL:•

No we don’t

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LiamHundley:100T::MxM:•

Have you considered that you're not one of my homies

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Feisty_Dig_7834:KCORP::BBL::FUT::C9::TL:•

Idk Liam am I not?

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PFunk_Redds•

Mans inducted themself as a homie

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afjecj:SEN_BR::FPX::MIBR::LOUD::LOUD::LOUD:•

No sentinels bot would ruin my day and I simply cannot have that. #blackoutforsanity

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charizardino•

Good move mods, this shit is important.

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Paria_Stark:FNC: #ALWAYSFNATIC•

That gesture means even more since we'll be in the middle of masters group stage. Full support to you mods.

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avocadontoast:TEAL::PRX::M80::TL:•

I’m glad you guys posted this I remember many comments on the thread asking us to participate was met with no and many not seeing the value or purpose of the Blackout as it wouldn’t affect them. While many of the people on this sub are young, I feel like long term change is worth some short term sacrifice.

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SirAwesome789•

While this ultimately wouldn't affect me much, I am a hobbyist dev so I do support the blackout

I do use RIF a bit so that's helpful

But I think the thing that most ppl aren't realizing how this will affect them in the long run is that removing third party apps removes most of their incentive to improve the official app which we all already know is terrible

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techyleo:G2::SEN::EDG:•

To keep us fully invested, you should have said Sentinels every other word and wrote TenZ at the beginning of every sentence

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Teradonn:FNC::TLN::VIT::DSG::APEKS:•

I wasn’t sold until I saw that the Sentinels bot won’t make it. Peace out bitches

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JesusHPopsicle:100T::100T::100T::100T::Chamber::OpTic:•

Glad to see the sub decided to take part!!

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JtotheC23:SEN::G2::DSG::FNC:•

God that list of subs participating really shows you how much of Reddit is porn lmao

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rafnexlabhsYOU FUCKING MELONS•

This image explains why the change will affect the experience of all users, not just the moderation team

https://preview.redd.it/8n20c5e7lb4b1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0f9b8b4073b0f1da7422785d43632893b05551c7

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IamtheTricksterGod:100T::NAVI::100T::DSG::100T::TL::100T:•

Thanks so much for breaking this down. As someone who doesn’t use the third party apps or old Reddit, I wasn’t really worried about these changes. But it’s really so much more than that. They are really trying to burn down Reddit just to make a quick buck.

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BB_GGYOU FUCKING MELONS•

Dang I completely forgot about the PMT bot and other stuff as well. Mega respect to mods, hope it all goes well 🙏

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hecklerinthestandsYOU FUCKING MELONS•

Can't say I'm really surprised at a lot of the reactions to this announcement.

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evarl0ng:FNC:•

That’s sad

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0bush:NRG::DRX::FNC:•

This change is going to negatively impact all the sports sub reddits I’m in

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TheFestusEzeli:SEN::KOI::DSG::PRX:•

At the end of the day, this is only a two day outage so it’s not that big of the deal regardless, but I really don’t see how this is going to make a difference. It either needs to be forever or not do it at all.

I think it’s good people are trying to take action, especially from a mod standpoint this change will be awful, but I find it stupid that people who are being realistic about this whole thing and just saying it straight are getting incredibly downvoted.

Realistically, likely nothing is going to happen from any sort of protest. But keeping the blackout to 2 days almost ensures nothing happens. I think the reason most subs are doing 2 days instead of forever is people know likely nothing is going to change and don’t want to be locked out forever.

I hope at least Reddit will look at the protest and give the tools to mods to be able to moderate easier that the API is taking away.

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RJ_42:Skye:•

Black it out until a desired response from Reddit gets published, not just 2 days

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