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r/RedditAlternatives•
bd31

I would only seriously consider a reddit alternative that would allow r/TheDonald and values free speech more than it fears "hate speech".

I've noticed many of the alternatives offered are walled gardens of "safe spaces". It seems it has skipped many people's minds that Trump got almost half of the votes.

My politics are left-leaning progressive but don't fear speech that I may find abhorrent.

“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.” ― Noam Chomsky

Posted Jun 9, 2023, 1:21 PM UTC

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Midori_Hoshi•

Always nice to see someone who cares about free speech. I'm the same way. It's depressing how many people are against free speech and don't understand what they are talking about, despite having good intentions. Ideally, a website or social media platform would have free speech and let the individual users block or hide stuff they don't want to see.

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bd31OP•

Thanks man! Considering the downvotes this post has gotten, I don't think most in this subreddit value free speech much either, unfortunately. :(

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Fade_Dance•

The issue with totally unrestricted content is it turns into a vile cesspool that no amount of user blocking tools save. I've seen it dozens of times over decades exploring online communities.

I remember browsing 4chan in the early 2000s and there would be literal child pornography in your face. Horrifying. Reddit (relatively recently!) had hundreds of communities dedicated to hatred of various group and it would spill out into the rest of the site (telling vulnerable people to kill themselves, etc). Actually, aside from CP that was another sickening thing from 4chan - groups of people attempting to get mentally ill individuals to commit suicide and/or self harm and post results online. I'm too old for this shit, I just want a nice place to discuss interesting topics with well mentally adjusted individuals in a somewhat Reddit like format.

Sorry, but lines need to be drawn to keep legal but way over the line things like this from infiltrating a quality website. I do see the need for online anarchy but I don't want to be posting my content there.

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nataku_s81•

This is 99% of Reddit unfortunately. People don't realize here just how silo'ed their views are because most people (the reasonable ones) self censore or just leave the sub reddits or platform.

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ZeppelinJ0•

I agree to an extent, but the donald was a place that was cool with promoting violence so in my mind there is a line that was crossed.

Like yeah you do you, go ahead and and be happy with your brainwashing but don't use your brainwashing safe space as a place to incite violence and then complain that you're being censored.

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bd31OP•

I think it's best when the user decides what they want to hear or not, and avoid deciding for others.

Censoring is also a form of brainwashing. I recall seeing stupid memes and didn't see calls for violence in r/ TheDonald

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Thot_P0cket•

Censoring is also a form of brainwashing.

Oh shut the hell up with this bullshit already.

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KindaNeutral•

Oh make an actual point. Censorship is used all the time to shape narratives and impression people.

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jhayes88•

I see two different definitions of censorship in this thread. One is using the word to discuss moderation from blatantly wrong things like inciting violence, spam, etc, and the other person is using the word in the context you describe where they are afraid that things will be falsely misinterpreted to shape out an agenda (of either side). Its like someone who is pro steak joining a vegan forum and they aren't even allowed to discuss their opinions on anything without getting banned because they upset someone. Thats like slamming the door on a pastor whos just trying to chat about their beliefs. I will hear them out and tell them what I believe. I wouldn't be rude and slam the door on them. Why not allow for a free flow of ideas even if you disagree with them? Of course inciting violence should be prohibited, or anything similar such as dangerous tiktok challenges.

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I_Am_U•

Door is wide open for you!

https://truthsocialtips.com

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zuniac5•

The challenge for a viable Reddit alternative is allowing free speech while restricting out the type of people who are so obsessed that they bring political grandstanding and virtue signaling over social issues to every conversation whether it's in any way related or not.

Tbh, I really don't care if right-wing or leftist subs exist on alternatives, but political and social brigading by the obsessive types chases off all the normal people and kills any potential of a site being a viable alternative. It's a difficult tightrope to walk.

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bd31OP•

A good alternative would give users the option to mute such users or subforums, instead of having mods ban entire subforums.

Leave up to each user to decide.

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I_Am_U•

There's no need for you to even be here when your dreams have already been answered: https://truthsocialtips.com/blocks/

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KindaNeutral•

I don't think we should have a framework to restrict anyone, for risk of it eventually being used against regular people with disagreeable opinions. I'd much rather let the crazies in, given that we have a system where such people can just be ignored, like how bad reddit comments sink to the bottom.

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zuniac5•

I don't necessarily disagree, but if it's opt-in to ignore people on a one-to-one basis, it really begs the question of how such a new site is really any better than Reddit in this regard. Blocking individual users is going to be like playing whack-a-mole and won't change the fact that political grandstanders are going to influence the direction of conversation and make it just as an irritating place to be as Reddit is.

If that's the case, it's going to chase normal people away from day one. Personally, I know if an alternative site is full of crazy leftists bringing up Trump every two seconds, I don't care how good the rest of the site is, I'm not going to use it. That won't be an alternative to Reddit, it'd be a clone.

One solution might be to have keyword lists that users can use to block posts they don't want to see - so for example, users who don't want to hear about political issues, Trump, BLM etc. can have posts with those terms in them filtered out. These lists could be predefined by the site as well as other users, and users could extend their own personal lists by adding keywords manually as needed. It wouldn't be perfect, for sure, and could lead to somewhat fragmented conversation in some situations, but it'd at least be an attempt to maintain free speech while giving users an easy, one-click way to filter out content they personally don't want to see.

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TheMissingVoteBallot•

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/w6cbah/mob_mentality_when_someone_is_in_the_right_with/

This is happening to you. There aren't many alternatives out there that allow this other than Twitter - that one is your closest alternative.

You are even getting people replying to you repeating the reason admins told everyone regarding the "promoted violence" thing even though the post was completely removed.

That's the danger of Reddit-style alternatives - they all suffer from this. The site they moved to is just as bad as the frontpage of r/politics - it's the same kind of rampant tomfoolery, it's just a different flavor of the same thing.

Reddit will NEVER see eye to eye with anyone who has heterodox mentality for speech. I condemn any sort of violence coming from either side myself, but your request will fall on deaf ears here. You're on Reddit, you're not on an actual platform that promotes a marketplace of ideas. Every sub is basically a mini echo chamber for whatever beliefs they have. It works as long as the communities don't interact with each other - when there's cross pollination it turns into a shitshow.

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bd31OP•

I get that about subreddits. It's entire sites suggested here behaving like subreddits. They can interact about legos, videogames, sports, movies, etc. Not everything is about politics.

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bettervanilla•

This has been asked before:

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bd31OP•

It bears repeating. Interesting that none of those got much traction. It appears most here would be best served to go back to forums.

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KindaNeutral•

I've also been surprised by how few people, even on this sub, recognize the importance of minimal moderation.

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bettervanilla•

I'm sure there's more discussion here and elsewhere around this topic. Those are just the threads (and not even specific comments) that I had on hand.

Returning to forums is also being discussed here:

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bd31OP•

Saw the first one, and they are right.

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VWH2•

I'm joining Operation: Razit and removing my content off Reddit. Further info here (flyer) and here (wall of text).

Please use https://codepen.io/Deestan/full/gOQagRO/ for Power Delete instead of the version listed in the flyer, to avoid unedited comments. And spread the word!

Iii kangntal tllungpaipinli nonnrepetung pi mriing? Nselli ntuupuneni kuua iitllina pi mangbin panntooll pempa ngsellmlliki. Iikllasansiin piaa ngsuutu praati ngpllitan ngklla. Tansa tlluu ngpe opin klaneslling taaa. Ngtllaaumpubo keemllu ndlle panklla i ngsllekaton. Kra easrimpal annllepllaan tuklun pllan tangngpa? Pempa nrasllaamee kinaasli pamanti tllongngtuke ngpo. Nggerkransisaang puungtllite nnllantee natu plennatanaapi tanlleng piiki? Sllingtlontaa tangmingsell ngkaraa pengtrimpriotlli ntatri kllunnti. Kran pllimpin ungtlle nantung bangku ngelltakrong. Koo tlla ngtrobanguu islakaandlla pikllempra paanti. Pango akungnghapllo nungnmlaa undinnnumpill pllanmplla bantitangaana nimen! Paatin mun blitllapunglla taan nluuka emlluu? Taitlan nnilngtar a ongsil. Pituunngkull teenkrotu ngtrengkllitotasu uplli paataapaa ningtimbang. Plongune ni tekra treng sapllu tllangmpal supennkrau. Kinee son ngklla tinnlantlisla oou nllangmallsi. Fuutllan ntlapllen pllanlin pungmpool dinngpranunko pauu? Piipimba nun srosing haplaan pen kllun. Eking nklla kuungeeaiie takiin tu kaatllon. A mpillpuumpaal sraning nsaseen triipengsli atiinda. Isren usemruu slaponang sakun nmalkuunra traentulta. Angmaasang ngtraaken pana i mpenllin kabung pae kombeen. Nkllapllu otlan genngtlluupunnnulko mentin suuimpaitan ngtllaba? Ngsllebiipan sotrankon kani tlonnaangpang nno. U ma ngkii nang ntil kllaangkibengflaangmi utlleng ngkakrang tai? Pintiing de teng pakraniifrung pi aplluun. Nllanmanslente igeng eepanipang ten pingtllaasllintuaa teka. Tlintaaming aglla piadan kintlepllu mpinteekin a. Aooti ngmripeempi trungnnlla teeungpanta ntaa kipo tempelkang maaiie ngkallpllantoll.

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bd31OP•

Better to let the individual user decide what they want to hear, than a mod deciding for them.

A feature to mute individuals and/or entire subforums, and/or anyone participating in them shouldn't be too hard to implement.

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VWH2•

I'm joining Operation: Razit and removing my content off Reddit. Further info here (flyer) and here (wall of text).

Please use https://codepen.io/Deestan/full/gOQagRO/ for Power Delete instead of the version listed in the flyer, to avoid unedited comments. And spread the word!

Iii kangntal tllungpaipinli nonnrepetung pi mriing? Nselli ntuupuneni kuua iitllina pi mangbin panntooll pempa ngsellmlliki. Iikllasansiin piaa ngsuutu praati ngpllitan ngklla. Tansa tlluu ngpe opin klaneslling taaa. Ngtllaaumpubo keemllu ndlle panklla i ngsllekaton. Kra easrimpal annllepllaan tuklun pllan tangngpa? Pempa nrasllaamee kinaasli pamanti tllongngtuke ngpo. Nggerkransisaang puungtllite nnllantee natu plennatanaapi tanlleng piiki? Sllingtlontaa tangmingsell ngkaraa pengtrimpriotlli ntatri kllunnti. Kran pllimpin ungtlle nantung bangku ngelltakrong. Koo tlla ngtrobanguu islakaandlla pikllempra paanti. Pango akungnghapllo nungnmlaa undinnnumpill pllanmplla bantitangaana nimen! Paatin mun blitllapunglla taan nluuka emlluu? Taitlan nnilngtar a ongsil. Pituunngkull teenkrotu ngtrengkllitotasu uplli paataapaa ningtimbang. Plongune ni tekra treng sapllu tllangmpal supennkrau. Kinee son ngklla tinnlantlisla oou nllangmallsi. Fuutllan ntlapllen pllanlin pungmpool dinngpranunko pauu? Piipimba nun srosing haplaan pen kllun. Eking nklla kuungeeaiie takiin tu kaatllon. A mpillpuumpaal sraning nsaseen triipengsli atiinda. Isren usemruu slaponang sakun nmalkuunra traentulta. Angmaasang ngtraaken pana i mpenllin kabung pae kombeen. Nkllapllu otlan genngtlluupunnnulko mentin suuimpaitan ngtllaba? Ngsllebiipan sotrankon kani tlonnaangpang nno. U ma ngkii nang ntil kllaangkibengflaangmi utlleng ngkakrang tai? Pintiing de teng pakraniifrung pi aplluun. Nllanmanslente igeng eepanipang ten pingtllaasllintuaa teka. Tlintaaming aglla piadan kintlepllu mpinteekin a. Aooti ngmripeempi trungnnlla teeungpanta ntaa kipo tempelkang maaiie ngkallpllantoll.

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bd31OP•

No one is stopping unwilling hearers to construct their "safe-space" echo chambers. Those who value free speech are also free to avoid them.

Maybe the optimal reddit alternative is just more people spending less time on social media.

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VWH2•

I'm joining Operation: Razit and removing my content off Reddit. Further info here (flyer) and here (wall of text).

Please use https://codepen.io/Deestan/full/gOQagRO/ for Power Delete instead of the version listed in the flyer, to avoid unedited comments. And spread the word!

Iii kangntal tllungpaipinli nonnrepetung pi mriing? Nselli ntuupuneni kuua iitllina pi mangbin panntooll pempa ngsellmlliki. Iikllasansiin piaa ngsuutu praati ngpllitan ngklla. Tansa tlluu ngpe opin klaneslling taaa. Ngtllaaumpubo keemllu ndlle panklla i ngsllekaton. Kra easrimpal annllepllaan tuklun pllan tangngpa? Pempa nrasllaamee kinaasli pamanti tllongngtuke ngpo. Nggerkransisaang puungtllite nnllantee natu plennatanaapi tanlleng piiki? Sllingtlontaa tangmingsell ngkaraa pengtrimpriotlli ntatri kllunnti. Kran pllimpin ungtlle nantung bangku ngelltakrong. Koo tlla ngtrobanguu islakaandlla pikllempra paanti. Pango akungnghapllo nungnmlaa undinnnumpill pllanmplla bantitangaana nimen! Paatin mun blitllapunglla taan nluuka emlluu? Taitlan nnilngtar a ongsil. Pituunngkull teenkrotu ngtrengkllitotasu uplli paataapaa ningtimbang. Plongune ni tekra treng sapllu tllangmpal supennkrau. Kinee son ngklla tinnlantlisla oou nllangmallsi. Fuutllan ntlapllen pllanlin pungmpool dinngpranunko pauu? Piipimba nun srosing haplaan pen kllun. Eking nklla kuungeeaiie takiin tu kaatllon. A mpillpuumpaal sraning nsaseen triipengsli atiinda. Isren usemruu slaponang sakun nmalkuunra traentulta. Angmaasang ngtraaken pana i mpenllin kabung pae kombeen. Nkllapllu otlan genngtlluupunnnulko mentin suuimpaitan ngtllaba? Ngsllebiipan sotrankon kani tlonnaangpang nno. U ma ngkii nang ntil kllaangkibengflaangmi utlleng ngkakrang tai? Pintiing de teng pakraniifrung pi aplluun. Nllanmanslente igeng eepanipang ten pingtllaasllintuaa teka. Tlintaaming aglla piadan kintlepllu mpinteekin a. Aooti ngmripeempi trungnnlla teeungpanta ntaa kipo tempelkang maaiie ngkallpllantoll.

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Medium-Grapefruit891•

Scored (dot) co / communities (dot) win is the answer to your question.

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ThePolack•

Nobody cares about you (or anyone else) being pro-trump. My opinion as a non-American is that half of your country is ridiculous for supporting the openly corrupt orange rapist but you're allowed to discuss that all you want.

What you're not allowed to do (and what r/TheDonald was doing) is incite violence, sexual assault etc.

If that's what you're looking for when you say "free speech" then 4chan might just be the place for you.

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