How come a small competitor such as The cycle: frontiers can afford to invest so much in their anti cheat but a game as big as EFT doesn't?
It's such a turn off from the game knowing that every match has a high chance of having cheaters
Posted Jun 25, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC
People still play the cycle?
Not enough apparently as they’re shutting down in a couple months.
They’ve indirectly addressed it by saying there will be some fundamental changes (I believe some having to do with the upcoming Unity upgrade) that will make it harder for cheat providers to continue in the way that they have. Who knows if it’ll be effective though.
Also, it’s easier for a less popular game like Cycle to fight cheaters - cheat providers aren’t as motivated to develop because there’s less money in it (vs a game like Tarkov which has a larger player base and probably more people who are motivated to cheat).
IIRC they halted development for content for a bit to work on that anti cheat. Looking at the player numbers it doesn't really look like they can afford it yet they somehow did it
Where are you seeing player numbers?
Oh thought you meant you were seeing player numbers for EFT. Sorry
A dying game
do you know why its 2k instead of 40k? because of cheaters. they killed it and its funny to see that someone brings it as an example of good anticheat measures
It's not 40k because the game sucks. They got rid of the cheaters but the game is still shit
If you recall someone else's earlier answer?
And how's that working out for the cycle though?
Looking at it's player count, not very well.
Its not just that I think. The whole setting of the cycle feels kinda „wrong“ if you know what I mean?
Can you elaborate? I haven't really tried it.
I don‘t know if I‘ll be able to explain it. Tarkov has this certain mood to it. Map design, the locations look real and so on. There is a certain darkness that comes with tarkov. Cycle to me, also with the setting in that ut takes place, just doesnt cut it. Its fucking boring to be honest.
cycle is very arcade shooter-esque. I mean the entire setting is on an alien planet. If you're looking for a mil sim then Cycle is about as far from that as possible. Id describe it like apex and tarkov had a love child.
Cycle lost its player count prior to them tackling cheaters. They have more players now than when they initially solved the problem.
Because they stated multiple times that they won’t give details about anti cheat stuff to not inform the cheat developers ahead of time. Really stupid question. You could also tell any burglar what’s your security system like so they can break easier. You wouldn’t do that wouldn’t you.
There's a difference between knowing what they do to combat cheaters vs knowing that they are trying to combat the cheaters at all
„stohp asking dis question“
Yeah, unfortunately for your argument The Cycle: Frontier is legitimately a dead game made by a dev who couldnt find its asshole with a map and a GPS.
Oh, also, the cheaters came back in season 3. Who would have thought the cheaters would find a way around the trusted queues and that it would require continual work and improvements.
The Cycle just announced that it's shutting down https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/868270
No wonder, the game is very mediocre
Are you still playing Tarkov?
How many people play The Cycle?
Demand is still there for Tarkov in its current state. Until it's not, they'll never be inventivized to take community demands seriously.
Lots of us complain about cheaters, then run another raid. We complain about aim punch and shitty recoil, then run another raid.
Playing is a vote of support. Buying EOD is a vote of support.
I have stopped playing like 1 month after the current wipe. The whole cheater shitshow really turned me off from the game. I really want to play but I can't find the motivation knowing that I'll have a high chance to encounter a cheater and the game does not refund anything if you die to one
Because BSG likes cheaters and want them to have fun - they make money on cheaters
Hahaha this did not age well
Cheaters are the majority of people buying the game. This game doesn’t have enough new players coming in to support it, so they rely on banning cheaters but letting them come back. Same model that valve has for csgo
This has been the speculation for years but so far there’s been 0 actual evidence to support this claim.
It’s such a dumb take. Cheaters are the #1 hurting sales for the game. BSG makes money when the game grows in popularity and more players play, and cheaters are stopping that from happening.
It’s true, you see plenty of people hesitant to buy the game because they hear about the cheating issues. You wonder how many sales are lost because of this.
Yea for every cheater in game you’re probably losing 30-50+ legit players
How about the cheaters I personally know?
Unless you personally know thousands of cheaters, the amount of money they contribute to BSG’s bottom line is a tiny little drop in the bucket.
But he knows two cheaters and they are the only ones buying the game. Therefore all buyers are cheaters. Don't you understand?
So naïve
Thought you were referring to the bans being useless. In that case, why wouldn’t they perma ban cheaters hardware? (beyond being spoofable, yes it’s possible) what reason do they have aside from income to keep cheaters coming back?
Why the hell do they sell the game at a bulk discount then?
Same model that valve has for csgo
So a f2p game that makes money from skins uses the same business model as tarky? Big IQ takes right there :D
Game wasn’t always f2p and it had the same model before it but nice try
That is sad tbh. For fair players not cheater and bsg
I agree. Hopefully one day they will stop this “Russians only” horse shit and have a solid game under their belt
They have people working in multiple places, it's not Russians only, it's just russian wages.
They actually have remote workers?
Could be easily solved by monetizing the game more. They could easily sell skins and other vanity stuff instead of relying on box sales
Fuck off back to COD or mobile gaming with this shit.
So you'd rather have one good patch once in a blue moon? They're a business and a game of this scope needs way more funding
No, I like it the way it is right now. I buy game - developer puts money back in game.
The entire roadmap (netcode changes) are targeted towards fighting cheaters. They’ve stated countless times that feature development is on hold to re-write the core of the game to combat cheaters and desync.
Yet somehow this thread still gets asked here daily.
If it were they could have easily mentioned it in the roadmap since it's a major point
They’ve mentioned it countless times.
It was mentioned in the most recent BSG podcast where they went into detail on every point of the roadmap.
That's good to hear then. Hopefully we'll get some of these changes next wipe because I'm very keen to play
Just fyi, they’re coming in the next patch (3.1) which is likely 1-4 weeks away…no idea if they’ll wipe as well