Looking for a quick gut check before we buy my wife the Model X. Is there anything comparable out there from other manufacturers with this seating capacity?
I know the model Y has a 7 seat option but it is not an option for us due to our safety concerns on the 3rd row. We also have a 5 seater Model Y now and don’t feel as though it is large enough for our growing family.
Thanks in advance.
Posted Jul 27, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC
kia ev9 coming is 7 seats. don't know of other choice other than y and X
Kia EV 9, VW ID.Buzz, Mercedes EQB and EQV, Toyota Proace Verso and quite a lot Stellantis cars but they are only in Europe I think.
There are a number of new or upcoming EVs that will be 3 row/7 seaters.
Kia EV9
VW ID.Buzz
VW ID.8
Cadillac Escalade IQ
Mercedes EQS
Rivian R1S
Volvo EX90
On that list is it just the EQS that is available for purchase today?
Rivian R1S also. Though that may only be available for early reservation holders right now.
You can probably get a "used" one with extremely low miles from a flipper, but afaik the S is still around a year out if you order today.
Yup, I ordered a year ago, and delivery is still about a year out, I think if you ordered today, you'd probably get closer to 18 months, but depends on the config.
If you have some money, you 100% can get a "used" one with under 1k for right around MSRP (because the current buyers got them below MSRP with a tax credit)
there is also eqb but it's no good if you have legs
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There is also the PHEV XC 90 that’s available now, I think the battery range is around 35 miles for the newer models, so it’s a good commuter option. The EX 90 comes out next year.
Our XC90 only burns gas on road trips. It’s a bit less compelling with the changes to the EV tax credit but if you lease it’s still quite a deal. Once the EX90 and EV9 are available (and the R1S is actually available at MSRP) it’s a different story but for now if you have a family and don’t want to give money to Elon a PHEV’s about all you can do.
Hyundai Ioniq 7?
Yeah, I forgot that one. I tend to lump Kia and Hyundai together on most of their EVs.
They're the same platform.
I mean, they are siblings.
If a PHEV is an option there's also the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan.
Mitsubishi Outlander too
Xc90, sorento, aviator
The Phev is not 7 seats
Yes it is, but it's really only for children.
Eqb supposedly has the option but it’s gonna be tight
Skoda Enyaq IV
That EV9 looks real nice
Mercedes EQB. Looks small, but actually has a lot of room in the third row.
Ev9 reservations opens literally any day now. Make sure you have your name on it.
Sorry, I’m looking for something I can order today and pick up in the next month or so
Rivian R1S is the best alternative to tesla.
thats still a bit of a hard thing to do with any good ev these days. Any good hybrid. Probably any good car. Probably depends on the market a bit.
You can buy an R1S for under MSRP on Cars and Bids right now and it will basically be brand new (under 2-300 miles).
I know your wife said it was ugly but sign up for a first drive event at a Rivian location. It’s such a nice vehicle and looks great in person (if she isn’t a fan of the light bar the white minimizes the look).
Depends on where you live.
In EU there are EV mini van options from Toyota, VW, Opel, Nissan, Mercedes, Peugeot.
Have you considered PHEV mini vans too?
I would definetly prefer a mini van with sliding doors for accessibility when you have to strap in the kids. With a van you also get a proper third row and cargo space and not just some emergency seats that take away all cargo space.
In SUVs, the "third row" puts your kids in the trunk space of the car...the designated crumple zone of the car.
South Carolina, USA. I’m on the van train but wife is not unfortunately. My old Odyssey was my favorite car ever. Her not so much. I’ll research more about the crumple zone. Thanks for bringing that up
Laughs in Ford Excursion!
My buddy down the road bought one of those and fixed it up. I mean it’s neat but like the opposite of an EV from an efficiency stand point. Ha
Yeah, I’m the biggest fan of EV’s and still driving my Excursion waiting for a cybertruck. filling up the tank and Excursion will make anyone a fan of EV’s. 🫠
If you’re carrying 6+ people it’s quite carbon-efficient iirc
Our Sienna is great and gets 35mpg.
Kindred spirit here! I still love my Odyssey. I bought a seven-seater 2022 Model X almost a year ago and love it. It does not have the same space as the minivan, but the seats are good. Our kids (11 and 14) like to sit in the back row and put down the middle row on road trips so it’s like they are in a limo or something. The back row is not comfortable for an adult for long distances, but the kids like it.
The third row seats often come with a reinforced rear structure.
The old Model S that had rear-facing child seats had to also get a steel member reinforcing the back.
It would reduce the crumple zone, but it doesn't mean the car will cumple on the kids.
Here is what rear ended Model-Ys and Model S look like:
You think that's safe for anyone?
The passenger cabin ends after row 2 in all Tesla cars. The trunk space is always the designed as the designated crumple zone of any car. There is no such thing as a safe third row in any smaller SUV or sedan.this applies to all car brands, not just Tesla. Anyone sitting in the passenger cabin (first two rows) in the abo e linked accidents will be fine and walk away relatively unharmed. Anyone sitting in the trunk, the crumple zone...welll...they will get crumpled. That's what this part of the car is for. It's designed to fold and crumple to eat up most of the impact energy. It will not magically fold around anyone sitting in that area.
As a dad those ford transits with sliding doors look good to me. But seriously some sliding door minivans would be great.
Others have answered this well, I'll just add that you can filter by seating with our EV search tool: https://www.ev.guide/find-your-ev to inspect the options closer.
Be sure to select both "5 seats (7 seats optional)" and "7 seats" under filters.
model x is the only one you can get the soonest.
r1s is the only other one out on the roads in the us today but if you order one now, you likely won't get it delivered until some time next year.
all the rest (ev9, ex90, etc.) haven't been released in the us yet and their delivery dates are unclear.
if you need a 7-seater today (tbf most people don't need one just like most people who drive a pickup truck don't need a pickup truck) and insist on having some electricity in it, chrysler pacifica is a good mainstream option and volvo xc90 recharge is a good upscale option.
and please for the love of pete don't claim model y is a "7-seater" in any sense of that term
EQS SUV are easy to find at dealers. We had multiple to choose from when purchasing our EQS.
yeah fair. i imagine a decent number of them are gonna be optioned with a third row, too.
Isn't the third row standard? I actually don't know.
it might be on some trims. it shows as a $1,250 option in the configurator if you spec the minimum/cheapest everything.
In my experience no, there are none on lots with the third row
But I was looking a few months ago maybe it’s changed
You can count on someone in this sub saying “you probably don’t need a 7 seater” in a post where a person asks for a 7 seater. It’s a classic.
any idea why that is?
General lack of empathy & abundance of self-righteousness.
takes one to know one
I know it’s sort of funny. Like we are talking about a $100k+ vehicle here. We are way past need.
Unless you are quite wealthy that is the only reasonable answer (other than ICE).
As a consequence I fit three kids in the back of a Model 3 which I could barely justify the cost of.
Front bench seat on that would be a life saver. As is i have to put a roof rack in for the MIL
Wait until someone asks for more range and people yell at them that 100mi is too much as is
NIO ES8 Xpeng G9 I believe
If you are looking for a EV 7 seater, do not look anything beyond Rivian R1S IMO.
It’s honestly the only true SUV that is a 7 seater and electric available.
Why only that one? Any good reason or just a toxic fanboy
I don't believe my statement was toxic. I was simply offering my opinion on the best electric SUV option since price does not seem to be a concern for OP.
It's important to remember that opinions can vary, but in this case many others do share the same viewpoint as mine.
The irony is he’s the toxic one.
You guys are a bit dumb tbh.
What are your safety concerns with the Model Y? I tell everyone the third row is only for kids or people you don’t like, and it’s one of those things that you’re glad to have when you need it.
How many kids do you have?
I have twins with more on the way and often times have our house manager with us to help with day to day to dos.
The 3rd row is laughable on the Y. Like surprised it’s legal. Anybody older than like 12 will have their skull smashed on the roof in the event of an accident. This is coming from a Y owner and an early Tesla investor.
It's not any different than a lot of vehicles already on the market... My Infiniti coupe is the same way. Anyone in the backseat, that is taller than 5'4, the rear glass is touching their head... Even in my MDX... You won't hit your head on the roof glass in the third row, but the rear glass is just a few inches behind your head. I've even been rear ended in the MDX... The rear won't crumple like the front does.
This exactly. It’s good to have when you need it, but it’s also nice to have the middle row on rails. The 5 seat Model Y doesn’t.
OP, with your kids being small right now, you might be better off with a 7 seater Y to replace yours and then wait for larger EVs. You have a few years. There’s just not many good options right now unless you want to spend six figures.
I use the third row, it’s fine. Obviously appropriately tight given the vehicle size, but you won’t find another as small with the same package.
Why don’t you scope out the Munro Live take on it, pretty sure they spoke to rear safety once.
To be honest, I'm shocked that the Model X is even considered to have a legal 3rd row. It is tiny. Most adult heads would hit the rear hatch beam in an accident.
Plus, sitting under the hatch glass with no real side windows wouldn't be my idea of a good time.
I've got twins and an older kid and the x has been great. The only downside is there is not a lot of room for luggage if you are using the back row. We have bucket seats in the middle and then two seats in the third row. I wish we had done the three seats in the middle so we could put the back row down on road trips to fit more bags. The falcon doors make it easy to strap kids into car seats and they provide shelter in the rain. It has been a great car but we are prob going to trade it in and get a rivian in a year or two to get a larger storage area.
R1S is the only real 7 seater SUV available.
Lol what
We’re talking electric if that part was confusing for you.
What do you mean with real then? Elaborate
The 2 rear seats in the model Y are a joke. It has a maximum listed height of 5'6" and at that point you're absolutely cramped. 26.5" of leg room as well. Cars like the Fiat 500 have 32.2" of leg room in their 2nd row. Fiesta had 31.2". Just to give you an idea of how compact it is back there.
Available now, Mercedes EQS and EQB. Coming soon: Volvo EX90, Kia EV9, Hyundai Ioniq 7, Genesis GV90
Seats 6 & 7 tiny on the model y.
Kia EV9 looks really nice, it's at the top of my list if I needed a 7 seater.
Eqb for occasional use.
Kia EV9 will come out soon
Isn’t the R1S 3 row and available now ?
The model y.
R1S
Rivian R1S is available now