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Keepsrepeating

Need help with IDP settings on Sleeper for Dynasty SF, PPR, TEP

IDP Discussion

This year I started a Dynasty league SF, PPR, TEP, IDP on Sleeper. Defensive positions are 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB. I entered what I thought to be generous, but fair scoring for defensive players, but with the projections, and previous season stats, a lot of defensive players are averaging over 20 ppg which seems a little ridiculous. I want defensive players to be relevant, but I don't want them averaging more than QBs and other first round offensive players.

Does anyone have a fair and balanced scoring system for defensive players on Sleeper?

Posted Sep 1, 2023, 12:55 PM UTC

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huracan_huracan•

for IDPs to be relevant, you need to start more than 6: no scoring system makes up for huge availability on waivers.

i also wouldn't worry about how much they score, the main issue is value over replacement: scoring 20 points means nothing if players on waivers routinely score 18, and a running back scoring 15 will still more valuable, as no RB on waivers is going to score close to 8.

what's the scoring you set up? maybe give less points for tackles (1.5/0.75 or even 1/0.5) and more for big plays, so that the players that score a lot are the ones that actually had an impact on the game.

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KeepsrepeatingOP•

Thanks!

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huracan_huracan•

you're welcome!

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KeepsrepeatingOP•

That really makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to add more starting IDPs at this point. I already have controversy that I said I was going to adjust scoring because I noticed it was way too high.

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PM_ME_YOUR_GREYJOYS:Giants-icon: Giants•

Controversy over trying to balance your league is less about you and more about your league mates needing to trust the commissioner. Probably I different conversation needs to happen there

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huracan_huracan•

i'd be a bit annoyed too if the scoring changed after i've drafted and made my moves. might as well keep as it is for this year, and reassess scoring and starting positions at the end of the season.

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JJettasDad:Vikings-icon: Vikings•

I will give you my scoring which I have used for 5 years and everyone loves it. I got it from a PFF article a few yrs ago. It makes defensive players actually worth a shit. For instance Chandler Jones had a 5 sack game a couple years back and it was like a 50 pt game.

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  • IDP TD: +6
  • Sack: +4
  • Hit on QB: +1
  • Tackle for Loss: +2
  • Blocked Punt, PAT or FG: +6
  • Interception: +6
  • Fumble Recovery: +2
  • Forced Fumble: +4
  • Safety: +10
  • Assisted Tackle: +0.75
  • Solo Tackle: +1.5
  • Pass Defended: +1.5

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I can explain some of the reasoning for this too.

Forced Fumble being double the Fumble Recovery. Its because the recovery is really just dumb luck of being in the right place right time. The force of the fumble is an actual skill and more important itself because the recovery cant happen without it.

INT being +6 is because its a big fucking deal and also leads to a lot of yards returned. Its a massive game changer and should be treated as such.

Safety: The ultimate game changer. This is points for the defense + the ball back.

Blocked kick: Same kind of deal. Its a huge game changer and should be treated as such.

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Anyway... thats what I have used. For example it put ROquon Smith right there with Nick Chubb. Roquon had 275 pts and Chubb had 267 (half PPR). Max Crosby had 264 pts, right next to Setefon Diggs. It makes these defensive players worth grabbing early.

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huracan_huracan•

For example it put ROquon Smith right there with Nick Chubb. Roquon had 275 pts and Chubb had 267 (half PPR). Max Crosby had 264 pts, right next to Setefon Diggs. It makes these defensive players worth grabbing early.

debatable: in 1QB leagues, QBs easily outscore any other position. still they weren't worth grabbing early. it's not a matter of "points", it's a matter of how easy it is to find those points.

out of curiosity, how many trades have involved IDPs as main pieces?

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JJettasDad:Vikings-icon: Vikings•

Well obviously they aren't going to outscore QBs. But in my 1QB league I was talking about (1 pt for 25 yds passing, 4 pt td pass, -1 int), Roquon had more pts than Aaron Rodgers, he was right there with Tom Brady.

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Usually they aren't the main pieces of trades unless its like a TJ Watt, who in 2021 had 292 pts which was 8 more than Davante Adams.

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Usually they are supplemental, just because there's only 6 defensive positions for 2DL, LB, DB...if you increased it I would think it would matter more.

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Basically the top guys the TJ Watt, Micah Parsons, etc are about as valuable as like a top 10 WR potentially.

in 2021:

TJ Watt - 292 pts

Davante Adams - 284 pts

Justin Jefferson - 275 pts

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In 2022:

Foyesade Oluokun - 295 pts

Tyreek Hill - 293 pts

Derrick Henry - 280 pts

CeeDee Lamb - 251 pts

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LB are going to still be the bigger point getters like always, just the nature of the position really. I will say with this scoring I wish it was a little more balanced for DBs and DL to get in with those guys. Nick Bosa last yr had 239 pts, which was a little more than Tony Pollard.

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Top 5 DBs last yr

  1. Pitre - 241 (Jaylen Waddle had 222 in half PPR, Tony Pollard had 231)
  2. Sneed - 215
  3. Jenkins - 206
  4. Ramsey - 197
  5. Love - 197

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Top 5 LB last yr

  1. Oluokun - 295 (Tyreek Hill had 293 in half ppr, Josh Jacobs had 303)
  2. Roquon - 275
  3. Bolton - 270
  4. Franklin - 260
  5. Wagner - 246

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Top 5 DL last yr

  1. Crosby - 264 (Stefon Diggs had 265 in half PPR, Nick Chubb had 267)
  2. Bosa - 239
  3. Parsons - 219
  4. Garrett - 213
  5. Reddick - 206
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huracan_huracan•

Basically the top guys the TJ Watt, Micah Parsons, etc are about as valuable as like a top 10 WR potentially.

scoring the same amount of points doesn't mean they have the same value. this is what i meant with my QB analogy: in normal leagues, QBs score more than the rest, and yet they're less valuable than other positions. scoring just as much as a top WR doesn't matter if i can get from waivers someone that will score 75% of what the stud does. that's relatively simple for IDPs (especially with those starting lineups) and next to impossible on offense.

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JJettasDad:Vikings-icon: Vikings•

Im not saying they are valued the same im saying it brings them closer with this scoring. And like I said, if you made it 10 offensive positions and 10 defensive positions maybe that puts it even more in line with value.

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But the point is, if you just use "standard" defensive scoring, nobody is worth a shit besides linebackers and even then they arent worth shit compared to RB and WR.

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In my rookie drafts, the top rookie defensive players go round 2. The guys like Aiden Hutchinson, Will Anderson, etc. They are early-mid 2nd rounders.

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max_hamie:Ravens-icon1: Ravens•

I believe it does combine stats for the scenario you suggested.

Not exactly sure what you're targeting for IDP scoring, but this is what our points are, the best guys (Watt, Parsons, Bosa) will score up to 20+ points, but typically LBs will hover around 10-15 points, solid DL will get about that same range provided they get a sack or a couple TFLs. DBs we still need to play around with because a lot of guys will but up pretty low numbers unless they get a pick.

IDP TD - 6

Sack - 4

QB hit - 1

TFL - 2

Blocked punt/kick - 3

INT - 4

INT Yards - .05 per yard

Forced/Recovered Fumble - 2

Fumble Yards - .05 per yard

Safety - 2

Asst Tackle - .5

Solo Tackle - 1

Pass Def - 2

10+ Tackle Bonus - 1

2+ Sack Bonus - 1

3+ Pass Def Bonus - 1

Leaders last year

DL - Crosby (227.3), Nick Bosa (217) Parsons (197.8)

LB - Oluokun (226), Roquan Smith (215.1), Bolton (204.3)

DB - Pitre (180.8), Sneed (167.6), Ramsey (161.3)

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KeepsrepeatingOP•

Thanks. Which app do you use? I'm trying to figure out how to set this up on Sleeper because it seems they add add up for sacks etc

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max_hamie:Ravens-icon1: Ravens•

We use sleeper, I don't think you can do anything to avoid stats stacking unless you adjust the points you get for them.

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thekobesystem8•

Yeah I can confirm they stack.

Pretty much it's this - if you sack the qb, is it a tackle? Was it for a for loss of yards? Is it a hit on the qb? The answer to all of these is yes, so sleeper awards points accordingly.

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KeepsrepeatingOP•

Thanks again! We used a variation of this so the top IDP at their positionaveraged in 2022 LB 18ppg, DB 16 ppg, and DL 14 ppg.

Everyone was okay with this

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HandEggSportsBall•

I don't know anything about good IDP scoring but I can confirm that all sleeper scoring stacks, like you have listed in your edit.

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