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ParCorn

How are the different actors and production staff from Star Trek perceived by the fanbase?

Ill throw my opinions out there but i’ve seen some opinions online before that I think I lacked context on.

Terry Farrell - I love Jadzia and I think she is acted well by Terry. I hate the transition to Ezri. But I’ve seen folks online say they love episodes without Jadzia. And I never looked up why she left the show anyway.

Wil Wheaton - I generally don’t like child actors and I definitely didn’t like Wesley. Although, some of the Wesley focused episodes are good. Now hes a Star Trek talk show host? Do you think he will ever reprise his role as Wesley?

Jonathon Frakes - I feel like he is one of the big players steering the direction of Star Trek today. And obviously hes done a ton of directing now. But I dont consider him a very good director.

Patrick Stewart - My favorite captain and what I consider to be a perfect casting. His Shakespearean chops really shine in TNG. But the show Picard was a flop and I heard he was no help with his crazy ideas in the writers room. How much truth is there to that?

Leonard Nimoy - I have nothing but praise for this absolute legend.

William Shatner - I think he kills his role as Kirk in the show and movie. I’ve heard that there is no possibility that he would return as a guest star in future Trek. Is that true and why? Has he distanced himself from Star Trek?

Not an actor but… Ronald D Moore - Where did he go? Bring him back please.

Please throw out any other opinions or hot takes. :)

Posted Sep 10, 2023, 11:26 PM UTC

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lanwopc•

Ron Moore has been show runner for Outlander in recent years.

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DeanSails•

And more importantly (imo) For All Mankind.

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ParCornOP•

Is it good? I must say Ive never heard of that show

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Tuchaka7•

I like it but not many did , Jerry Ryan was in it.

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lanwopc•

My wife really likes it, she's also read the books.

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merrycrow•

I see adverts for it but I don't know anyone who's ever watched it here in the UK. I think one or two of my Canadian friends are fans.

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tujelj•

He's been involved with a bunch of shows in his post-Trek career – some great (BSG), some very much not (Helix). He co-created For All Mankind, which is currently on Apple TV+ – I haven't seen it but I've heard good things.

As for OP's question about where he went – after DS9 finished, he joined the Voyager writers' room, but he didn't like the way things were run and left after writing or co-writing just two episodes.

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lanwopc•

BSG definitely started off great but I truly disliked the last season and a half or so.

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tujelj•

I know the later seasons and especially the finale were divisive. I liked them, for the most part, but I get why others wouldn't.

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lorem•

Ron Moore has been show runner for Outlander

And Ira S Behr worked under him in the first few seasons.

Personally, that series was a big letdown for me--historical drama with way too many rape scenes.

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lanwopc•

Calling it a historical drama is kind of skipping a key feature of the show. But you're not wrong about the over reliance on rape scenarios.

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lorem•

a key feature of the show.

Which is...?

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lanwopc•

The time travel.

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Cassandra_Canmore•

Well going by my personal experiences.

Shatner isn't the amicable person he was 2-3 decades ago. He's just tired of Kirk at this late stage of his life, and would rather just have his coffee. Without Trekkies swarming his table.

Brent is kind of similar. Don't fangasm over him, a friendly hello I love you will do.

Dorn, and Frakes will have a blast over your fangasming.

Quaid, will fangasm over your fangasming of Boimler.

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ajw_sp•

This is why I plan to recognize him as TJ Hooker if I ever see Shatner in public

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Cassandra_Canmore•

If you want to get him to laugh. Denny Crane, will do it

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ajw_sp•

-Make eye contact-

“Denny Crane!”

-keep on walking-

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gaijin_smash•

My best friend and I both blinked during our photo op with Dorn and the photographer caught it and called us back. He showed it to Dorn on the cam and that man laughed so hard and gave us a sort of hug when we came back.

I still have the blink pic and it really is a gem.

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Flaxtastic•

Dorn was exceptionally nice when I did my convention photo. Such a great guy.

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MoreGaghPlease•

The other weird thing about Shat is the alter-Shat. For many years, Shat’s entire online persona has been run by his former driver a guy named Paul Camuso. Shat is an old who does not know how to use the internet, he has no involvement whatsoever in his social media persona — though he certainly must be aware of what a shithead “he” is online. This creates a weird scenario for attribution and biography where the authorized, verified whatever Shat who speaks and writes with Shat’s pen is not Shat and has little to no actual oversight.

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Cassandra_Canmore•

Well, that's very interesting. How long has that been going on? Because I remember the fiasco of him in Twitter telling the dev team of Star Trek Online to go suck a lemon. When they asked about him potentially doing Voice Over work for the game. The fallout of that within the STO community was intense.

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You must not have been around for his infamous SNL skit back in the 80s - ever heard the story about "Get a life"?

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Cassandra_Canmore•

I was born in '85 😅

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MoreGaghPlease•

I don’t know how long Paul Camuso has been doing it for, but the entire time Shat has had an online persona (approx 15 years) it’s been staffed out, there is not online interaction with Shat that is authentic

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Cassandra_Canmore•

This incident was in 2013.

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Love-As-Thou-Wilt•

So that argument I had online with Shatner and Mark Pellegrino (they were trying to get their fans to bully and harass a Supernatural fan- I took issue with it) on Twitter wasn't actually with Shatner?

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MoreGaghPlease•

Nah just a rage-baiting chauffeur slash self-titles ‘crypto executive’

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Love-As-Thou-Wilt•

Good to know. Mark Pellegrino still sucks though, I guess.

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tujelj•

Wheaton did reprise his role as Wesley on Picard, briefly.

Terry Farrell, like a lot of women in the franchise in that era, had problems with Rick Berman being a shitty sexist creep.

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ParCornOP•

Huh I completely forgot about that little spot he had on Picard

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gaijin_smash•

I don’t know why the cast and crew continue to defend Berman, I really don’t.

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lorem•

That is true and Berman was a creep, but she also wanted to jump ship to a new series that was starting instead of losing tho opportunity and staying in a series that was ending in one season.

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Annual_Use_3431•

Shatner has usually outpriced himself from returning to Trek. Which isn't too unfair... he was original Trek and one of the most recognizable talents from it... but no other show could afford his asking rate. (He wanted to play a guest spot on Enterprise!)

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ParCornOP•

Paramount? Being cheap and shortsighted? No way /s

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DeanSails•

Zero reason to bring him back, no matter the cost.

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TimeSpaceGeek•

His character is dead, and he, as a person, is one of the more anti-what Trek stands for of anyone in the franchise.

He's also arrogant, self-involved, and unpleasant to work with. He's spent the last two or three decades alienating the entire Original cast, and feigning ignorance over why Leonard Nimoy called time on a friendship of 40 years with him, despite the fact that Nimoy made it very clear why they fell out and why he wasn't going to forgive him.

Shatner is a shitty person.

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BlueRFR3100•

Picard was a flop?

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ParCornOP•

Well, I thought so. Maybe flop is a bit extreme but my impression was the community was kind of disappointed by it, especially the first two seasons.

I personally thought it was a mess with a few good moments.

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merrycrow•

The original response on here was overwhelmingly negative, but in classic Trek style it seems people are more positive now, judging by the comments. Now people argue about whether S1 or S3 was best.

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robber80•

Now people argue about whether S1 or S3 was best.

(Because everybody agrees S2 was absolute crap...)

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artificialavocado•

I mean he’s no Spielberg but I think Frakes is a decent director. He has directed quite a few episodes as well as First Contact, one of Trek’s highest grossing moving, as well as Insurrection. Insurrection isn’t great but it’s not as bad as people say it is. Besides, you can’t direct your way out of a lackluster script.

I think official Terry Farrell left over a contract dispute but realistically I think she had issues with Berman from the start. I always like Jadzia but Terry Farrell is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life.

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ThreeDogs2022•

Curious. I thoroughly enjoyed Picard its foibles notwithstanding and I don't consider it to be a flop. I also think Frakes is an excellent director.

William Shatner is a bigot and an arrogant asshole. He managed to alienate most of the original cast during the show and in the years after.

As has been pointed out, he has reprised his role as Wesley. And he's been very clear that he's happy doing what he's doing

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busdriverbuddha2•

All of the main cast from the Kelvinverse movies seem like really great people to hang out with. Their Dubsmash videos always make me smile.

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BigMrTea•

I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion for this, but I think bringing on Kurtzman and Abrams -- two avowed passionate Star Wars fans who had barely a passing familiarity with the franchise was a mistake. I'm grateful they brought Trek back from the dead, but they had to make an awful lot of mistakes to learn enough lessons to make SNW and Lower Decks.

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ParCornOP•

Oh I think Abrams is just straight ass. Lens flare core. He presided over the modern Star Treks and the 2/3 of modern Star Wars and I think all those films are quite bad

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BigMrTea•

I think Patrick Stewart didn't understand Picard and didn't care. I wanted the deeply moral and philosophical intellectual who used his clever mind to out think his opponents. Stewart wanted to get laid, drive dune buggies, climb Borg tubes like he's Tarzan, and impale a guy in the guts.

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merrycrow•

I think Stewart just had a checklist of fun things he wanted to do in his career, and realised that in Trek he had the clout to ask for them. What were they going to do, recast him?

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Houli_B_Back7•

Terry Matalas comes off as a bit of a dick to me.

The fact that he straight up retconned or tossed aside major characters and plot lines from season one as soon as he took over at the beginning of season two, which led to him basically clearing house for the beginning of season three, seemed genuinely disrespectful to the people who worked on season one.

I get not liking a creative decision…. But whether you like it or not, people worked hard on that season. Instead of tossing it out, why not play the ball where it lies, and build on what came before?

You can argue he did it with Raffi- so it is possible. When the creatives who followed up TNG with DS9 took over, they didn’t chuck stuff like the Ferengi, or the Trill, or the Bajorans…. Instead, they built on those concepts and made it there own.

There’s also the weirdly conservative emphasis on found family and nepotism that was a running theme of season three. And the fact that he actively courted and did interviews with some of the Fandom Menace influencers during season three’s run…

I’m not against Legacy as a series, as I like Seven and Raffi, but I hope Matalas gets a showrunner to help him not just not fall back on some weak sauce nostalgia bait like he did in season three, but avoid some of the weird, problematic elements (relegating the women to their former regressive rolls/killing then off, rolling back what little queer representation there was, etc.) on display in the season.

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cld1984•

Frakes isn’t a good director? He may not be great outside of Trek, but First Contact is a top notch movie. And not just a Trek movie, it’s just a good movie. He also directed Those Old Scientists (SNW), The Offspring (TNG), and The Drumhead (TNG).

He actually has very little to do with the direction of the franchise outside of his performance and directing.

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ParCornOP•

Yeah maybe that was harsh. I guess I felt like he was good enough to not get in the way but has no unique style. But I’m going to reexamine this

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TV directing is very different from feature film. TV directors mostly handle technical aspects of filming.

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robber80•

He's also great at asking you things.

https://youtu.be/9S1EzkRpelY?si=AlWBnilTRMst-HG8

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cld1984•

Haha! I love this clip. Never fails to make me laugh. Thanks!

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Love-As-Thou-Wilt•

Why is that so funny? 😂

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Love-As-Thou-Wilt•

Frakes directed some great Leverage episodes.

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gaijin_smash•

I hate Wil Wheaton and the people I have known who have dealt with him have said he’s unpleasant.

Frakes is a very competent director who gets it done. He has a lot of directorial experience working in TV and on Star Trek specifically. He’s more professional behind the camera is my understanding.

Stewart is old and I think wanted to come back to Picard but he’s not a writer by trade. I think it was a bit of an ego thing for him.

Ronald D Moore writes for For All Mankind now. I’ve heard mixed things on him.

Armin Shimerman is a career actor and very upstanding, I’ve heard a lot of praise for his work.

Ira Steven Behr seems like he’s fallen out of touch with a lot of things in the current day. His comments about Garak’s sexuality struck me as super reductive and just out of touch for how progressive he wanted the show to be especially given how much our lexicon has evolved.

The Okudas, Doug Drexler, Herman Zimmerman, and Michael Westmore were all very innovative and hard working. I don’t think any of them really had “personalities” that made them hard to deal with.

I know a lot of folks who worked on the respective shitshows of Picard S1, 2, and 3 (it shot in my backyard and I work in entertainment).

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Glass-Shelter-7396•

Really? Wil Wheaton is unpleasant? That is disappointing I guess I always imagine him as a fellow nerd, weirdo and Trekkie even if most Trekkie’s were terrible to him because of his character.

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gaijin_smash•

He’s very holier than thou from my understanding.

I remember him back in the day doing ads for Video Toaster but now he just seems to sit on all the ST pane shows.

Also lol to whoever downvoted me but I’m just gonna tell you to never meet your heroes.

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ParCornOP•

Yeah what you said was basically my take on Frakes. Maybe I was a bit harsh.

I love Armin in Buffy the Vampire Slayer!

Ha I sorta knew someone who worked on the set of Picard too. In the short year I lived in LA. He was insanely busy so I only hung out with him once. Entertainment industry seems grueling…

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gaijin_smash•

It is grueling. I’ve been in this industry for almost a decade living in LA and I’ve worked on shows from Australia to Europe.

Picard was a messy production all 3 seasons from the showrunner changes to the fact that they kept turning over crew each season.

Living for these downvotes. Cmon salty Trek fans, let me ruin more of your illusions.

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timid-dolphin•

Shatner is a dick and in regards to his acting he can be described as "punctual".

There are numerous examples of his unprofessional and arrogant behaviour and inability to take direction without getting all defensive and passive aggressive about it.

He did a good job as Kirk in the original series but lost the character in the movies and just became an idealised version of himself.

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AlbinoPlatypus913•

Lol this post almost feels like trolling for how off base a lot of it is but I don’t think it’s intentional

Terry Farrell - heavily harassed by Rick Burman to the extent that she quit the show

Wil Wheaton - Wesley is generally hated but Wheaton is generally very well loved by the community. He has already reprised the role in Picard.

Jonathan Frakes - generally regarded as the best director in Star Trek, his episodes and movies reflect that

Patrick Stewart - you’re pretty on point

Leonard Nimoy - You’re also on point

Shatner - has basically always been an ass even during the original run of TOS, he is the primary reason why most of the supporting cast barely get to speak and why Spock is generally relegated to being such a secondary role later in the show. I think he’s a big part of why the show so heavily declines in quality in its third season. His performance has generally been heavily panned for being ungrounded and totally over the top, but some would disagree. Nobody is really interested in seeing a 92 year old Shatner guest star on any of the shows.

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ParCornOP•

Ha I wasn’t trying to troll but definitely my hot takes are not popular opinions. I’m thankful for the discussion though. Damn I didn’t realize Shatner is 92.

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robber80•

Also, Kirk died in Generations, so he'd have to be playing, like, Kirk's great grandfather.

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RyanCorven•

If anything, Frakes is an extremely underrated director. Even he'll admit he's no Scorsese or Spielberg, but he's a true actors' director and it shows whenever you see something he directs. He got put into Hollywood director jail for Thunderbirds, but of all the problems with that turkey, the directing wasn't one of them.

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Thunderbirds was ruined by the studio. That absolutely wasn't Frakes' fault.

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merrycrow•

Well I've never met anyone involved with Star Trek, but my sister's colleague's husband played one of the Edo guys in TNG: Justice, complete with the white mankini. Apparently he's a nice guy lol

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