Destiny, Shapiro, Jan 6th
I'm listening to Destiny take notes about things to ask Shapiro, but I think he's going the wrong way on Jan 6th. Yes, the insurrection part was bad, but he's just going to down play that part. I think the focus should be on Trump's various (il)legal strategies to throw out votes of states that didn't vote for him. It's something indefensible without just blatant lying about what occured, and no President or party as done something remotely similar.
Posted Nov 11, 2023, 12:42 AM UTC
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I think any amount of pressure is good.
Ben is doing the thing of having a whole line of defenses and retreating backwards whenever one fails. At this point it's barely defensible, and the fact that his standard is as low as "Yes Trump will actively try to overthrow democracy if he becomes president but I'll still vote for him because the constitution protects us".
Ben walks that tightrope like a acrobat. He had a special broadcast as J6 was happening, before the rioters had even been removed yet, and was visibly dismayed, called it disgusting etc. I think it was genuine - that neocon, old school, Constitutional junkie, capital C conservative in him was disgusted at the shattering of the norms.
But since then, he has moved on to basically relying on the strength of the guardrails to keep that from happening. It isn't a great one, but at least it's not as mind numbing as "pEaCeFuL pRoTeSt" and "it was all FBI agents!"
Please link the video
https://youtu.be/m8ZfmyxmgTA
I don't think the live stream is available anymore sadly. This is his podcast from the following day and I think it hits the same high notes. I was a DW member at the time so I might have seen it on the website.
Yeah I've noticed that too it's not even that he's "right" on a lot of issues but if you're not 100% precise he'll just move the convo away to something he wants to talk about