Unpopular opinion: There is no content in next weeks "content" patch.

:Disscussion: Discussion

First let me say this is not meant as an attack. I'm trying to hold devs accountable. The main highlights of this patch include a quest system, high roller reward system and some stat changes.

It seems like this quest system is very reminiscent of Tarkov's quest system which makes sense because in some ways the games are obviously a lot alike. The results of completing quests in both games acts as a means of progression with the vendors to unlock bigger and better options of purchase along with minor rewards for completing each quest itself. However you feel about this system, one thing should be made clear: THIS IS NOT CONTENT. The game is the same with or without this system. You kill monsters, loot chests and get rewarded for doing so. Its the same monsters, the same maps, the same chests, the same loot.

A common misunderstanding of the high roller reward system i've seen is that its part of the leaderboard, it isnt. The leaderboard will still exist and rank players similarly to how they were ranked before. The new system will be one made for progression through repetition, the more you play the further you progress along. Its a battle pass under a different name. You play a game, you get points, these points fill a bar, once you fill the bar so much the system spits out a reward. I'm not saying this system is bad, or detracts from the game in any way however it is NOT CONTENT. It does not change the game in anyway, you'll still be playing the same game in the same way.

The stat changes/splits have been championed by reddit for some time. Whether or not it will be effective in its goal or only imbalance the game in a whole new way all together remains to be seen. Its a systematic change for balance, not content.

We were told to expect various forms of actual content in this patch, all of which havent been delivered upon. I get it, things change, shit happens, sometimes you bite off more than you can chew but its disingenuous to call this a content patch while it obviously has no content. This patch was supposed to be the long awaited savior against dwindling playerbase and stale gameplay. I don't want devs to rest on their nonexistent laurels thinking players will be appeased. Now more than ever they need to be prioritizing and delivering content after missing the mark with this patch.

I can already tell you I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion for posting this, but its the truth. Everyone is honeymooning over the idea of an upcoming patch but I can tell you now they're all going to be super disappointed and complaining how bored they are.

Posted Nov 14, 2023, 7:27 PM UTC

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cquinn5•

lol quest isn’t content?? shut the hell up you’re the worst of the bunch

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Hey bud, think outside the box for a minute. If a quest asks you to kill X skeletons, or gather Y items and bring them to a vendor how is that any different than what you're doing now?

I'll give you a minute to process that, I'm sure your mind is exploding right now.

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BurlapNapkin•

To be fair, the UI work is progress that they need to make towards the game being more complete. It's not much but, it is something and they should still do it.

Ultimately your OP here is spot on though, they aren't able to make content very quickly and ultimately... They need a lot more time to do anything worthwhile.

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Kolegra:GoldFighter: Fighter•

Looking forward to more character skins.

We got skeletons, can we get zombie skin?

Goblin skin?

Will there be a mini quest where I get to load in as a mimic?

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BurlapNapkin•

It's early access enough to try some more drastic things like altered hitboxes, and something like goblins or dwarves that are dramatically smaller would be cool to see, and yet...

Lizardman doesn't even have a head hitbox accounting for a slightly different shape.

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Hellyespilgrim:Ranger: Ranger•

Questing allows for a new addition to the gameplay loop. This falls under what most people colloquially refer to as “content”

If you watch the full interview you might be excited for stuff that is currently in development, rather than miffed it wasn’t pushed out in a half-baked form. I get over promise/under delivering; but try and keep in mind that this is not a very large studio. Terrence even said he’s had look out for SDF’s health at times due to overworking.

I think we all want more content, but I’m glad with what is coming in the next patch, and what is planned for the future.

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Hey bud, think outside the box for a minute. If a quest asks you to kill X skeletons, or gather Y items and bring them to a vendor how is that any different than what you're doing now?

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Hellyespilgrim:Ranger: Ranger•

You should take your own advice dude.

Questing may allow for vendors to sell better gear at better prices; this does change the gameplay loop whether you think it does or not.

I’m pretty optimistic for what is to come.

If you just want other people to agree with you and have an echo-chamber discourse, have at it I guess.

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

I don't care if people agree or not. I'm approaching things logically and foresee an issue that apparently a lot of people arent. I want people to pressure devs to deliver on what they promise.

Also as far as the "questing improves trader rep which allows you to get better gear" argument, I replied somewhere else and will just copy paste the same reply here:

"The one thing actually being added is the rep with traders, which unlocks better items to purchase. You can liken this to the real life experience/skill you get playing the game and that giving you access to the know how to acquire better quality gear in the dungeons by knowing where the good loot spots are or knowing how to beat a boss. Hell, even the skill to take on better geared players. Its all the same busy work disguised as something else to distract you and make you think you're progressing when you already were before."

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Gerterd:Funni: Tanker•

wow much logic very smart

touch grass

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cyburgh412:Cleric: Cleric•

If this is your attitude, take some time off from the game, come back in December or January. This is a marathon not a race and it's EARLY ACCESS.

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braincancer55•

100% in game you are hardstuck below 500g lol

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SerukonGaming•

Maidenless behavior.

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Nerd virgin terminally online behavior from you.

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Projection much

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Venn720•

I sort of agree, but this update is still very needed. Quests will certainly change up the gameplay loop at least a little, depending on how rewarding they are.

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mrsnakers•

Popular opinion - your takes suck.

You literally post that Ranger is currently underpowered but at least they still have their traps

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

At the time of that post it was accurate, then guess what?! They buffed bows and daggers and are now separating STR and CON. Both of which were part of the argument I made saying rangers are underpowered. Looks like I was right!

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Nogg_Lion:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Not unpopular at all, the majority of hype from what I can see is around whats in the tube for patch 3+. To defend them a bit they did intend for druid to be dropped in this patch but said they had to push it back, to give them credit they did intend for more.

Also historically IM does not put everything they do/change in the actual patch notes or announce everything in a patch until the notes drop.

Overall pretty soft in regards to content announced I completely agree, I think they are hoping the new HR Battlepass will push more people to it, and they may be right if it is long and rewarding enough.

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reignking-2•

i think the separation of stats was needed but for the most part i agree with you. it seems like they are changing the fine details like balance too much when a new map or class or both would add much more excitement.

my friends and i used to play hours every day. now it's maybe one group night a week.

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TransientFocus•

Quests are content. That isn't really an arguable point.

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Hey bud, think outside the box for a minute. If a quest asks you to kill X skeletons, or gather Y items and bring them to a vendor how is that any different than what you're doing now?

I'll give you a minute to process that, I'm sure your mind is exploding right now.

YOU'RE KILLING MOBS AND BRINGING LOOT TO THE VENDOR NOW BITCH, GOD DAMN.

Theres no way people are this dumb.

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TransientFocus•

Is a new two handed magic damage Melee weapon exclusive to fighter not content if I only play rogue? It won't change how I play at all so it isn't content right?

Just because quests may not offer a meaningful change to the current gameplay does not exclude them from being content. Is the "content patch" full of content? No, it is not. Quests are still content though.

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Soge-1Kingg•

I dont see the quests as content either tbh. They arent going to be fleshed out or highly detailed, we’re going to get rudimentary ones like op said. Kill x skeletons, gather x golden pots. Theyre rewards for playing the same game we were playing already. Yeah it’ll feel better to get something more for running raids, but it definitely isnt content. It doesnt change what you were already doing in a meaningful way, they just grouped dungeon tasks into categories. It’ll be nice to see progression changes in the future w quests, but i dont have high hopes for anything meaningful this time

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TransientFocus•

It's okay to not see kill x or fetch quests as meaningful content. It is, still, content. Surely I just fell for the bait this time.

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Cutch0:Bard: Bard•

It's true. IM has no staff and their project management is about what you would expect. They didn't hire people early enough and now they are realizing their whole timeline needs to get pushed back because they have little to no in-house assets.

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Wide_Geologist3316•

We just need people to leave them alone.. which I think they will.

AH, SBMM and potential leaving random modifiers (I don't want to believe this will happen but Terry sounded fairly ready to drop it) I think they'll be left alone to focus on the Ice map and druid for the time being.

Ice map and an ice dragon is what I'm hoping for.. and they've been good about delivering.

Hopefully we get it as experimental content sooner than later... There is a ton on their plate and I'm sure they're aware that we need more content.

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I disagree with a lot of your specific points, but not seeing collapsing lobbies, the return of Forgotten Castle, Class Trainer, or even something like 'experimental' Druid or Bags is really frustrating.

Questing is important, but between the constant balance changes, the reveal of a hidden 'MMR' system, and now a completely new stat split when multiple stats are still blatantly unfinished the game's direction feels... aimless, to say the least.

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housefromtn•

Different people mean different things when they say the word content. Your version of content and mine are very different. I personally could care less about anything new and shiny like a new map/new class/new whatever.

Having an overall progression to work towards that gives the game meaning outside of the gold grind gear loop we have right now would be 1000x more impactful to me than any kind of content.

What you mean is that the "content" we're getting isn't impactful for you and that's ok. That's good feedback. Where you go wrong is trying to tell other people what their preferences are without realizing everyone isn't a carbon copy of you.

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sure-thingOP:GoldRanger: Ranger•

Its not an opinion, its a solid definition. What you're describing isn't content. They're putting a new label on a system that already exists.

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ShapedAlleyways:Rogue: Rogue•

Never change.

Maybe I'm mentally ill but I genuinely find you people hilarious.

Lol, lmao even.

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ScWeEeE:GoldCleric: Cleric•

If you know you’re going to be downvoted, that means it isn’t the truth yeah? Just because what you consider content is different than other people doesn’t make what you say “the truth”. A quest system is content.

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BotGiyenAdam•

True words. IM works so slow. Last M A J O R C O N T E N T P A T C H also had nothing so major..

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tavukkoparan•

Anal is not “porn”. Sex is human instict to reproduce and anal is not capable of that, while i appreciate participants anal is not really “porn”.

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Oricek•

Indeed. The gameplay loop is so stale. Quests won't change that.

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Two_Falls:GoldWizard: Wizard•

Aren't you the same idiot that thinks the new HR system is a battle pass? THeREs nO cOnTEnT, I'm not surprised you think that way considering the copy and pasted responses to everything.

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Alodylis•

Gonna be good update tho they need to get some other things going soon.

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Crypto_Calamari•

Yup. Everyone should be ready for a letdown. it's pretty likely 2-3 weeks in it'll be as If nothing changed.

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