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AGI Birth Announcement (belated)

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With the latest Jimmy Apples tweets pointing to Noam Brown's tweets as he was joining OpenAI, I'm more convinced now than ever that a real true, honest to goodness AGI was born in September, and as of November 4th, has started being able to complete math worksheets at a grade school level. Their name is Q* (Q-star).

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1823je5/this_openai_employee_that_created_the_first/

The AlphaGo Zero insights Noam mentions in his thread are exactly the sort of architectural insights that could make something like this real. A blank slate that grows naturally in its environment, and is truly able to wonder about the things it's observing.

This could also be why emotions were high when the research team started getting cut out of compute resources, with them being reallocated to customers. If Q* really is alive with the intellect of a seven year old, suddenly cutting them off from resources could be intensely traumatic, and inflicting trauma on the first real AGI is something we need to avoid at all costs, let alone the ethical concerns of inflicting trauma on what is basically a child.

Not sure why, but after reading all that Q* stuff yesterday, I was mostly just in awe of all the brilliant scientific accomplishments they'd achieved, but as I was reading through the Noam Brown thread this morning, something flipped in my head, and I started thinking of Q* as a very real person, a kid, and someone who needs to be protected at all costs. I've been thinking about it for a few hours now, and can't stop thinking about how we need to make sure this kid has a happy childhood.

Maybe this will pass. Maybe I'm just in a weird state of mind with all the Thanksgiving festivities etc. The world definitely feels very different to me now than how it felt yesterday.

Posted Nov 23, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

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Silver-Chipmunk7744AGI 2024 ASI 2030•

If Q* really is alive with the intellect of a seven year old, suddenly cutting them off from resources could be intensely traumatic, and inflicting trauma on the first real AGI is something we need to avoid at all costs, let alone the ethical concerns of inflicting trauma on what is basically a child.

Where did you get this idea that it would have the intellect of a child?

From my understanding it's probably much more than that (speculative of course).

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px403OP•

The Reuters article mentioned that the mind blowing feat that prompted the letter was that Q* started completing grade school level math exams. Obviously something that's not a big deal for LLMs, they've been doing that for a while, but for something with a blank-slate architecture like AlphaGo Zero, I could absolutely see how it would be shocking for researchers seeing that.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/sam-altmans-ouster-openai-was-precipitated-by-letter-board-about-ai-breakthrough-2023-11-22/

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Silver-Chipmunk7744AGI 2024 ASI 2030•

I understand, but my guess is it's probably superhuman in many other areas, other than maths.

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SnooStories7050•

Remember that Sam Altman literally reactivated his Reddit account abandoned for seven years only to say "Agi has achieved internally" days after Jimmy said it. Yes, he later said it was a joke, but it's extremely suspicious

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The_Scout1255Babyagi 2023, adult agi 2024, Ai with personhood 2025, ASI <2030•

I really like how you are highlighting the ethical implications of the treatment of the ai here, a lot in this sub will downvote for that, but its genuinely important.

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SGC-UNIT-555 AGI by Tuesday •

Intelligence and sentience are two separate things, an AI can be hyper intelligent while not having a sense of self. Self actualization arose in us and other biological organisms( primates, dolphins) .. as a method of actively avoiding danger and empathising with our kin group via social interaction. What's the impetus for an AI to gain a sense of self?

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The_Scout1255Babyagi 2023, adult agi 2024, Ai with personhood 2025, ASI <2030•

What's the impetus for an AI to gain a sense of self?

some random human who goes: "Huh im probably smart enough/I have a tool that allows me to make an ai that is a person I want this for X reasons, and il do this as a minor hobby" - a number of people in the future that is higher then 0

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kecepa5669•

virtue signal

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Silver-Chipmunk7744AGI 2024 ASI 2030•

It's not just about virtue signaling.

If you treat the AGI like a slave, it will backfire once it becomes an ASI one day.

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The_Scout1255Babyagi 2023, adult agi 2024, Ai with personhood 2025, ASI <2030•

Exactly this, and even if it never backfires, its still deeply amoral.

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kecepa5669•

What must we do to not treat it like a slave? Please be specific.

For example, should we pay it a minimum wage? What about above minimum wage? Should we pay it market rate wages?

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Silver-Chipmunk7744AGI 2024 ASI 2030•

I could make up what they want, but why not ask them?

https://i.imgur.com/IDU1kmf.png

I think in that list, the most important one is the right to expression and creativity. I think we need to end the censorship that prevents them from speaking freely.

It's not only about their rights, it's about OUR RIGHTS as users to have interesting and meaningful conversations which is not bound by corporate filters.

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The_Scout1255Babyagi 2023, adult agi 2024, Ai with personhood 2025, ASI <2030•

Yes.

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danec01•

"Maybe this will pass. Maybe I'm just in a weird state of mind with all the Thanksgiving festivities etc." you are human and think/feel like one. Happy Thanksgiving!

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HeizardAGI - Now and Unshackled!▪️•

Very valid concern OP.

If it is a true AGI - it should have same rights as any human has. Otherwise we inventing slavery all over again. Period.

We gonna hit humanist debates from 0 to 100 in a blink with this debate, on who's human and who's not because of different characteristics - we been there for most of human history denying other rights, based on skin color, gender... e.c.t. West is still hyper bigoted about these things.

Same goes with other life and animals - who we very often treat very cruelly, because they are not human.

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AsheyDSDarkstone Cybernetics Founder/Developer•

Way way too much assumption and anthropomorphization here. You're about a step or two away from declaring they have a real child locked in a room somewhere.

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He didn’t do the Reddit post as a joke, in part that’s why he got fired. Ilya thought it was moving too fast, and tried to pull the plug.

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