NYC carry application final step….
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reddit.comPosted Nov 25, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC
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That’s insane!
I was annoyed enough by my county’s rule - 4 references from people who live in the same county, but no family or people you reside with. If you just moved here (I did) or aren’t a super outgoing person (I’m not) it’s a serious hassle to complete.
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After that you go into investigation for a few months waiting for an approval and the department is already behind on many applications
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(Joke) And then your references expire after 6 months and you have 7 days notice from date of postage to obtain 4 additional notarized references of moral character.
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Or tell you because they are old we need two more for a total of 6 and they must be complete strangers lol
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I just applied for special carry, I expected 6 months to get a call but a YEAR? I thought of not submitting the character references when they ask for it, if I get denied I will have standing to challenge that portion of the law when I’m clearly qualified for a license. I respect my privacy, and while there are some people who know I have a NYS pistol license and they wouldn’t have an issue writing a letter for me I’ll rather this part of the application get tossed out, than keep enabling them for having it in the first place.
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Thinking about doing the same actually. I have dual residency and now spend most of my time in FL so honestly don’t care if they try to deny me. I wouldn’t mind being a perfect example of NYC corruption and overstepping as a SHALL issue state. Would make a good example for a class action or direct lawsuit.
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This was the biggest limiting factor for me (not in NYC) - I delayed applying for maybe a decade or so.
It’s such an absurdly onerous requirement.
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Special carry & concealed require the same.
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That was actually part of the initial application for me in NYS ( outside of NYC I guess ) they’re just trying to discourage you from continuing. It’s a numbers game for them .
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Submitting my application today
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How long do they give you to submit all this stuff? I got the same email 2 weeks after paying online. They wanted a copy of my SS card, copy of my current permits ( residence ans R/S ) social media and 18 hour class certificate. I submitted everything except the 18 hour classes. I’ll be taking the classes on the 10th and 17th of December. They also said they’d use my fingerprints from my current permits. Just wondering if there’s a time limit to submit all this information?
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Same here. This is word for word from the email they sent me with the above form
“You will have 15 Business Days to provide the remaining required documents. This is a very strict deadline and no extension will be given.”
Which is extremely unreasonable. Especially after waiting an entire year with not a single follow up, they expect me to JUMP to now respond to them.
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My email only said
“ THIS EMAIL IS TO ADVISE YOU THAT WE HAVE USED THE PRINTS FROM ONE OF YOUR ACTIVE LICENSE/PERMIT AND APPLIED THEM TO YOUR CURRENT APPLICATION. ONCE THE APPLICATION GETS ASSIGNED TO AN INVESTIGATOR; THEY WILL CONTACT YOU TO BEGIN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE REVIEW YOUR CHECKLIST AND UPLOAD ANY MISSING DOCUMENTS.”
I did type out a letter saying I was taking the classes next month and that they were already paid for. Even submitted the receipt. Submitted the typed letter and receipt for the classes.
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The all caps email responses for extra intimidation always get me 😂. Damn I don’t even have a 16 hour course scheduled… can they only be done in NY? Currently in FL….
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I’m not sure if FL has nyc classes.
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When did u apply and pay ?
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I applied and payed September 2022
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Yikes. I applied and payed like 3 weeks ago. I already have the premises and R/S permits.
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Sounds like they want to get the 2022 permits out the way fast to catch up
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Early September or late? Just curious
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Where did you find this application? Are you looking for a CC LICENSE?
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4 1/2 months from the beginning til my license!!!
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@macbookpros.....where do you live?
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I’m kinda tempted to write on my “list” that I refuse to list any social media accounts and if they deny I’ll sue because it’s a violation of at least 3 amendments of the constitution (first, second and fifth). But not sure if I’ll have the balls to actually go through with that.
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Interesting that NYC bends over backwards to give illegal aliens everything they want, but won’t accept them as character references. Wonder why?
Actually made me pull up the CCIA and it simply says four character references. I actually think it would be relatively easily to challenge the residency requirements and citizenship status of the references.
“NAMES AND CONTACT INFORMATION OF NO LESS THAN FOUR CHARACTER REFERENCES WHO CAN ATTEST TO THE APPLICANT'S GOOD MORAL CHARACTER AND THAT SUCH APPLICANT HAS NOT ENGAGED IN ANY ACTS, OR MADE ANY STATEMENTS THAT SUGGEST THEY ARE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT WOULD RESULT IN HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS; “
Think about it, 90% of the time after a mass murder the news goes to the bad guys neighbors and ask if they saw anything that would suggest the actor was a ticking time bomb…. And all the neighbors say that the people were all nice, quiet neighbors that they could never believe were capable of doing such an act. You never hear that the neighbors and family all knew the bad guy was the devil himself.
These licensing hoops don’t work. Bad guys aren’t gonna go through it, they will just steal a gun. Psychos won’t wait and they’ll go to the garden store for fertilizer. Suicidal people will just try another way. All of this is a major disservice to the people who really need help because we aren’t dealing with the root problem. It’s the political machine taking the easy way out.
No disagreement here. Just speaking from a practical perspective in actually being able to successfully challenge anything. It seems like the statute is clear - just need four references - says nothing about who is a viable reference. The counties are making up rules they presumably do not have the authority to do.
Yes the counties and NYC make extra shit up that will take years to challenge and get eliminated.
Good question. Here's an excerpt from my appellate brief:
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=UpfG7TllHj5TZ33uODq0hQ==
Ah so you were already on this specific corner of it.
Would you consider tacking on a statutory argument against the additional requirements they impose - “even if references were permissible under the 2nd amendment, the statutory language simply states the applicant needs four references with no requirements that the reference is not a relative, for example.”
I genuinely believe this specific requirement hamstrings people’s entrance into the hobby. Anybody can take for and pay for a class. It sucks but it is what it is.
Getting four non family members to go and notarize and mail out a reference form? Literally the most difficult thing I’ve ever done paperwork wise.
If you could simply use your parents and spouse and a sibling - number of pistol permits would triple within 24 months.
They most likely won’t call the references.
In NYC, illegal aliens have more rights than law abiding taxpaying citizens