Inhabitants of Burque just banned me from their page

For asking him to please not post personally identifiable information along with Hate-mail he had received. (kind of like Reddiquette)

The proprietor of Inhabitants of Burque was doing everything short of begging his followers to exact vigilante justice against someone who sent him hatemail that said something sexually insensitive about homosexuals (the guy called the proprietor of Inhabitants Of Burque a 'faggot'.) by posting the persons full name and facebook information, along with a portion of the message emphasizing the word 'faggot'. I hardly condone such behavior, but lots of people say lots of things on the internet, but don't deserve to have their family harassed over it. I called out the moderator of Inhabitants of Burque for doing this, in a civil and levelheaded way. I got about 5 likes from other followers before my comment was deleted. He proceeded to delete my comment along with scores of others, including one from my girlfriend defending me. I was banned before I could even press enter on a second comment that I tried to post after nothing had been done for some time.

I'm particularly butt-hurt because not only does he seem to feel no remorse for accidentally getting someone's family harrassed, but I really liked what this guy was doing. Inhabitants of Burque was a cool concept, and he's seen quite a bit of success with it (enough to literally quit his day job and do it full time). I was trying to give constructive criticism, about something that can actually be kind of a big deal. I only made 1 single comment. The guy he had shamed's family was receiving harassing messages by this point, after IOB followers used his full name to find his personal Facebook page along with everyone who shared his unique last name. But the proprietor of Inhabitants of Burque continued to do nothing but ban criticisms from his page, while allowing the post to remain.

He does not take criticism. If you post any on his page, he will delete it and ban you even if its one single comment (and potentially publicly shame you to his followers). Go ahead and look at any comment thread under any of his posts. Not even something a tiny bit snarky or critical. He made it clear he will ban anyone on the spot if you threaten to 'unlike' him for deplorable behavior on his behalf. He feels he is not accountable in any way for what he posts. He made it particularly clear that he controls the narrative on his Facebook page, and has recently been deleting between 5-10 messages of criticism per thread from his page by my estimates.

This has been for many reasons including his recent trend of posting vapid questions along with pictures of landmarks and restaurants, instead of high effort interviews, to generate likes and page views for more ad revenue ("link bait, low effort content"). It makes sense since he's been telling people of quitting his job to run Inhabitants Of Burque full time. I am disappointed by this development in the quality of his content. He has very much sold out in a sense and/or made a very bad choice quitting his day job. He also fills up peoples Facebook Timelines with more Inhabitants of Burque posts than most people get from any other user on their feed.

So how does Albuquerque feel about having someone like this being one of the louder voices of our city (at least as far as social media goes)? Are you part of his personal army? He claims to actually make a living off of doing nothing but run this Facebook page. I respected him. Its like being a child and meeting your hero and finding out he's actually a total dickbag, who's too full of himself to man up to his mistakes. Disheartening. He was really nasty to me in his private messages and never made an effort to reconcile or apologize, or even acknowledge his misjudgment a little bit. He did end up deleting the post in the course of our conversation, but his defensive and dismissive tone never changed. And even though his actions acknowledged his mistake by virtue of deleting the post, my ban was never lifted. And he continued to treat me like some kind of enemy combatant. I guess this is what happens when you rely on Facebook for your income, but misjudged your actual success. He seems to be having major problems making this work, which is effecting his personal life, which is in turn effecting the quality of his work and attitude drastically.

Edit: And please, dont make this about me getting banned. He's totally in his right to do whatever he wants, I could care less. This is about internet harassment, and inciting internet vigilante justice. Its unquestionably wrong in any circumstance, and anyone coming to his defense over it is certifiably horrible.

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What if the person who sent the hate mail was drunk?

What if they didnt really mean what they said?

What if it was their friend logged into their facebook account, doing a prank?

What if they were a minor?

Does someone really deserve to be publicly shamed, and their real life location disseminated to 7000 followers, who all live within driving distance of each other, with the potential for vigilante justice, just because they sent some hatemail on the INTERNET?

I think not.

I would have respected Inhabitants of Burque for having a discussion about how its wrong to call names like that. Or to remind people not to bully on the internet. But the second he posted personally identifiable information about someone over such a heated issue, he crossed a major line. And behaved much worse than the person who sent the hate mail. Its the internet. C'mon. You have to have a thick skin. I've been called the same thing, and much worse. Its not 'right' but you dont respond by doubling up your efforts to get someone bullied. You dont fight bullying with inciting more bullying. Its that simple.

I implore my fellow Burque citizens to UNLIKE Inhabitants of Burque until Leo apologizes and explains himself, about doing such a thing to someone, and about all the censoring he does on his page. He crowd sources his income, so why does he get to silence some of those voices who make his existence possible by their participation in Facebook? Everyone has bad days and makes mistakes, I am not beyond forgiveness. But at this point he's just trying to brush it under the rug like it never happened. I dont mean to blow this out of propotion, but you can seriously get people injured, property damaged, severely harassed, or even killed, posting their personal information along with a reason to hate them, to an audience of 7000 people on the internet. If Leo cant respect that, IDK if he deserves the success he has. Pretty much all major internet forums have rules against doing stuff like this. Someone capable of this much internet success should be fully aware of such things.

With the power of 7000 followers and enough success to quit your day job, you better believe I'm butthurt and am going to hold you to a high standard of responsibility for your actions. I was a huge fan. I enjoyed participating in his page. I gave reasonable constructive criticism. Dont taze me bro.

He makes his living off of chronicling OUR lives, he gets cut checks off OUR participation in Facebook (and now he has a kickstarter?). So he should have to answer to us too IMHO. Especially if he's irresponsibly wielding his wide reaching voice to incite his own personal army to do his bidding. Even when you dont encourage people to do anything, they will if you give them a persons contact info and a reason to hate them. This is internet 101 stuff.

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I witnessed some of the comments being deleted in that thread myself. I was disappointed a page that described itself as "Capturing the essence of Albuquerque and the people that call this desert valley home" wasn't allowing the people it claimed to be about to have a proper discussion about the topic

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I made a suggestion that he purchase WHOIS protection for his recently announced domain name for his website (that he publicly posted).

I didnt do this until long long long long long long after I was already banned for making 1 single comment that attacked no one, trying to defuse a potentially violent situation. It was entirely on topic and reasonable. He was extremely rude and defensive when I tried to ask him what I did. That is when this all transpired about the domain name. I wasn't stalking him, I was seeing how his business model works, since he publicly claims to be living off this. That sounds like a pretty sweet job to me, why shouldnt I try it out?

I am not riding on his coattails anymore than he is exploiting burque culture and tropes for his own gain. He already has a huge advantage, and is very successful. I dont know why you and everyone is so defensive about a little competition.

I havent even posted a link to my page, which is already up, anywhere in this reddit post. I am not even trying to use this as a way to promote myself. I just felt like venting about a horrible experience I had with IOB so people can know.

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Im perfectly fine with persons who send hatemail to be publicly shamed. Persons who send hatemail should be able to stand the heat of the fire they started.

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I am all about shaming hatemail. I am all about using it for comedy, or to bring light to an issue.

But when you post someones personally identifiable information ALONG WITH the hatemail, you cross the fucking line man. No respectable websites do this (or allow it from their users). Its against the rules on just about every website I know of, and Facebook's policy agree's, and is why the guy eventually deleted the post. It is above someone who runs a successful enough facebook page to quit his dayjob, that reperesnts our city. OMG theres trolls on the internet? NO WAY!!! better tell everyone /s

That is why reddit has very strict rules about this. You dont post personally identifiable information about someone in a heated situation, just because you disagree with them. It always leads to bad things you never intended.

The kids FAMILY was harassed. Did they deserve that because he sent some hate mail? Absolutely not.

If its good enough for Reddit, its good enough for me.

Besides, the Inhabitants of Burque guy could have at least said "I understand your concerns, but I am not going to do anything about it" But instead he acted like a complete asshole, banned me for being polite and pointing something out calmly, and eventually deleted the post basically proving me right, without admitting fault or unbaning me. At this point I could care less, but I was honestly extremely offended, as a fan of his who liked what he was doing. I love my city, and thought he represented it well. Now I know he's a really horrible person, and will be telling everyone I know... too bad.

Even besides the issue of shaming hatemail / internet harassment, the guy handled the issue like a true douchenozzle regardless. He clearly does not care about his fans, or the fact that they are responsible for his income now. You are going to run into people who are critical of your behavior when you make your living in the public eye. It seems to be a foreign and unacceptable concept to him.

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I love the way you talk about "IOB" like it's some sort of important entity or something.

Get a grip. It's a shitty facebook page made even shittier by incessant drivel

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Yea the 1000 posts about positivity, except that one time he got some poor kids family harassed in the real world. And banned anyone who questioned him even once about it.

I am honestly starting to think IOB has me confused with someone elses comments, because I in no way attacked him, period. I was outright banned for making 1 comment of constructive criticism, in a completely polite way.

I messaged him asking why, and he was rude, defensive and antagonizing.

If he wasn't making a living off of this, I wouldnt care. But its more than a website, its a livelihood. That's why its such a big deal to me. Like i've said, I was a fan. I liked what he did. I complimented him in my messages. But he didnt acknowledge me at all, and just continued to be defensive.

As someone born and raised in the Burque, his behavior is incredibly offensive to me. Not someone I would really want representing us, if thats really how he behaves behind the scenes.

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I will post our entire chatlog with Leo's permission, but I'd really rather respect his privacy. I in no way attacked or stalked him. I researched his business model because I want a piece of the pie that he's getting. Who wouldnt want to make their living posting stuff to facebook? This isnt just some silly "Internet website" that "I should just get over". Its this dudes livelyhood and income, that could be yours or mine. He's sharing ad revenue with facebook and making enough to literally "quit his dayjob". I wana do that, thats awesome. And who's he exploiting to do this? The inhabitants of burque, indeed. Why does he deserve to make money off of us? What value does he even add?

I talked to him about why I was banned, he was very rude. Then I said "anyone can do what you're doing, maybe I will." Then I began researching the types of things he's doing. Like starting a webpage, and partnering with food truck competitions, etc. His private info was widley available on the net. That is nobody's fault or problem but his.

I am a web designer and linux administrator by trade. It is not out of the ordinary for me to look this kind of stuff up. I made a genuine suggestion to him to buy the WHOIS protection on his domain name if he's going to continue being in the public eye, and continue to antagonize his fans. That is IT. I only private messaged him after I was banned for making 1 single comment, that in no way attacked anybody. He is doing damage control and lieing. I in no way attacked him, infact by this time when I made this suggestion, I was being apologetic and trying to reconcile. He was not having it. I showed him that his personal information could be just as easily compromised as the kid who's hatemail he posted was. Except I had the courtesy of sending it to him in a private message, and not sharing it with 7000 other people.

The logs prove all of this. But i'm not so petty as to post them without his permission, since these were in private.

I dont blame him for trying to spin the hell out of this, it is his livelyhood now afterall. But he's still a bad person because of the way he treated me, when I was genuinely concerned about something he posted that was getting some kid's family harassed. And I personally do not believe he deserves to be making a livable income off of the fine people of our city, and their love for all things Albuquerque.

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Get a grip, no one cares about you.

Never said they did, or will. But that doesnt mean I wont give it a shot, because it sounds like a lot of fun.

You can't duplicate it, because he is already working for the city and they gave him a free office.

I'm sure they'll be really happy to hear about this. I already have a home office.

You are just pathetic and you are trying to take your anger out on an ABQ Reddit forum.

Idk if i'm exactly pathetic, but yes, i am trying to take my anger out on the ABQ reddit forum.

. Regardless of how you feel he treated you (and everyone gets mad at somebody sometimes) he has passion whether you recognize it or not. You on the other hand have a stick up your ass and that won't get you in with the people. You just suck and you should get over it because it, because has way more support than you will ever have. You should not be so creepy and get a fuckin life. You seem like an asshole because IOB didn't make a hate post in Reddit, you did. So go back to typing code and quit crying, because nothing you have done is as successful and impacting as IOB.

blah blah blah, muds-linging and name calling, with a healthy dose of assumptions. You definitely must be a friend of his.

IOB has the right to ban you, it is their page. Don't be a dick and no one will ban you. If you have some critique, at least prove why you should give this critique.

They absolutely do, just like I have a right to start my own page. I wasn't a dick. Ever. I made 1 comment. It was perfectly reasonable, constructive, and on topic. Then I was banned. Anything that happened after that is irrelevant. No name calling, no accusations, no cuss words. I am very seriously starting to think he has me confused with someone else by what Leo has been saying. He's acting like I did all this stuff, and then got banned. No. I made 1 comment. That was perfectly reasonable. And then was banned. I messaged him to saying that I would unlike him if he didn't explain his behavior, and he proceeded to accuse me of "personally attacking him" and going off about "how he just hates it when people say they're going to unlike him", while being rude and defensive.

Yet, there is no evidence that you are in the least bit successful with your 7 points on here.

Did I ever say I was successful? No. I am just putting this out there for people. I dont see anything posted by Inhabitants of Burque with more points though, so i guess I am more successful than him on Reddit, like i even care :p

I think you just suck in general and your internet business can't be that good, cause once again no one has heard of it. Yet, if you say IOB, lots of people know what that is. You are just pathetic and you are trying to take your anger out on an ABQ Reddit forum. Plus this forum only has like 1800 followers which you got 7 points in, minus the negative points.

I have made no claims to care about any points, I am not trying to win at anything,. I am just airing my experience with Leo. And giving my own page a shot because I am pretty certain I could do what he does. Whether or not it successful, who knows. But it sounds like fun, and I have the equipment, so why not?

With all your awesome social media experience you have only reached 11 people. You suck, and you suck at social media. IOB is over 8,000 people now. What do you got? Oh, 11, my bad you are the king of social media. I laugh at your childish and pathetic behavior. Go seek fame in your WOW kingdom bitch!

yea yea, keep on w/ the constructive debate mang. Are you and Leo friends or what? I am not claiming to have been successful. I am not claiming I will be successful. I just think it sounds like something worth doing. I just dont think he's done anything particularly special to attain his success. There is no content on the Inhabitants of Burque Facebook page that I couldn't have generated myself. I feel like it would be a lot of fun to have some healthy competition. He has not handled the situation like someone who's going to get the hang of being in the public eye, or having this kind of success. I have been beyond reasonable with him, and was a huge fan. If you cant understand why that makes me feel bad to be treated poorly by him, and want to tell people about it, fine. Just ignore me, like he should be doing if he really is above all this.

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I in no way personally attacked you, this is an outright lie, certainly not before I was banned (after making 1 single comment), and not even in our PM's was I personally attacking you. I would love to see any evidence, I was calm, cordial, and gave constructive critisim, used no curse words, and never mentioned you specifically. (EVEN THOUGH WHAT YOU WERE DOING WAS INCITING VIOLENCE AGAINST SOMEONE)

Maybe you have me confused with someone else.

I am willing to post our entire private message log to defend myself with your permission.

Second, you searched the internet for all my personally information, sent it to me in an email, and then told me how easy it would be for someone to come to my house and attack me.

I started researching how you do your thing so I could start my own page. I simply suggested that you should buy WHOIS protection on your domain if your plan is to continue being in the public eye, and antagonize your fans. As a web designer and linux administrator by trade, i do this every day, all the time. Not the least bit out of the ordinary. I made no threats, or any use of the word 'attack'. Talk about Damage Control.

Edit: and by the way Leo. Its NOT "Just the internet" its not "Just a facebook page" Its your livelyhood. You keep talking about how you quit your day job to do this full time. This is a lot more than just some silly internet website. Its apparently a pretty decent income. So i'm not gana just "Get over it". I'm comin' for ya job, because I think I could do it much better, even if its by not being rude to my fans or getting them harassed because I am having a bad day.

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It seems to me that his page is an elitist tribute to the hip and already successful. He boasts about how great Albuquerque is and how he has a goal of documenting everyone's stories... but if he achieves that goal he'll soon have to face the reality of the many impoverished, under-educated people and how shitty so many things are. Being positive and celebrating success is great and all, but our city has a big problem with underfunded and over crowded public schools, homelessness, drug abuse, and other things that make his page as true to 'Burque as his mascot, Bill Murray.

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I wonder if he has the rights to be using Bill Murrays image to represent his public enterprise?

He just threatened me with a civil lawsuit for 'slandering him and his business' (I feel like i've been pretty damn reasonable, and non aggressive, considering what he did could have ended in violence), but I think I could poke about 100 legal holes into his business....

He's even started printing out stickers of Bill Murrays with the words "inhabitants of burque" printed over it and posting them around the city to promote this page.... ugh. Graffiti much? Doesn't seem legal to me at all if he's making his living off of this. I might just have to call Bill Murray's 1-800 line (that he has in lue of a publicist)

I bet he'd be down to beautify our city, and protect his trademark.

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Why wont he have a reasonable debate? This deletion of all his comments is as cowardly as using your internet following as your own personal army.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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It's becoming very obvious who the real stalker in this conversation is.

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And now he's threatening me with a 'lawyer' for 'publicly slandering him'.

Welcome to the public eye brother. You chose this life, and were very irresponsible with your judgement. You almost incited violence against someone, does that mean nothing to you? I know it wasnt your intention, but thats how it went down. I am calling you out. Deal with it. I have records of everything that has transpired and have done nothing illegal.

You didnt have this kind of passion about owning up to your mistakes, idk why you have the energy to come after a genuinely concerned fan with a lawsuit. Talk about wasted energy from a supposedly 'really great guy'. Any lawyer is going to read over this reddit thread (the ONLY thing I have ever PUBLICLY posted about you) and laugh in your face.

There is nothing wrong with owning up to your mistakes man. Why's it so hard?

Leo's idea of a peace offering is "I'm drafting a civil lawsuit against you, but i'll stop if you stop"

Yea thanks, really 'nice guy'. He has no case. Period. He's the last person who should want to get lawyers involved using Bill Murray's image illegally (and nonsensically I might add) to promote his own private business. Pretty sure he didnt get permissions for that. And now there are stickers of it showing up all over our beautiful city? Fuck that noise. It doesn't even make sense dude. Sad. Our city deserves better.

Bill Murray's attorney has been contacted. Let this be the end of it. Can't wait to see what nonsensical shit you choose to be your next mascot. You're really cute with your bogus home-printed press passes, so make it count this time.

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Well looks like IOB is going to do the stories and photos of the Breaking Bad cast and crew for their page. Shit will blow up after that.

Thats awesome! I am also friends with some of the actors on that show, as well as a few independent movies filming here, I would love to do the same thing eventually. Of course, unless its Steven Micheal Quezada, they arent exactly 'inhabitants' of burque ;)

You can't win, ever. So as far as this post is concerned, it is an epic fail.

You are so very insecure :( Why do you keep making this about winning/losing? It really does represent how I picture Leo and his friends after our interactions here. Completely unable to cast ego's aside, constantly looking for validation, and a very insecure bunch they are indeed.

This is about what is right, and what is wrong. And how Leo behaved badly and took no responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to keep building up straw men about "points" and "winners and losers", thats your circlejerk, not mine budday. I am just doing this because its fun, and anyone with a Camera who lives here can. Doesn't take any special magic powers. Doesn't mean I'm trying to win or lose. Just means I think Leo is a bad person and doesn't seem to want to make things right, and deserves a little competition so the quality of his work doesn't falter. As a consumer this should make you happy. Idk why you're on some sort of mission to tare down my morale. Doesn't matter to me. Just seems very childish and silly of you.

PS: Doesn't your copy cat page have a Bill Murray picture with the name written on it. Contacted Bill's lawyer about it.

Yep, but I am not a registered business (yet) or attempting to make a profit mis-using his image. It was done as a satirical mockery of IOB, obviously. (I now realize I misjudge lots of people's ability to appreciate satire). It's not like I'm trying to go around using it on fake press passes, or trying to pass it as my "Mascot" or Logo (Like IOB does)

I'm really curious how ya'll even came across my page, seeing as how I havent ever promoted it, or linked to it once, from anywhere. Or even mentioned what its called once. Hell it even has 15+ likes, and I'm not even trying yet. Seems odd that you would care enough to know it exists :P

And whats with this 3 day old reddit account of yours, and why do you keep dodging the question of your relation to Leo? I'm really curious now? The bias and hate is astounding, all with no reputation on Reddit to stand on. Sad that Leo and IOB attracts people like this that only want to spew anonymous hate, with no room for an honest debate. It's all sunshine and lollipops in IOB land, because they ban debate and dissent. I am just trying to facilitate what he wont allow on his page. An honest debate about Internet Harassment and Bullying. But i guess there is no room for that, since Leo thinks Internet Bullying is ok as long as its for his cause.

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