Acoc, and why Yonkos are massively superior to admirals.
So, a lot of people underestimate acoc, and say it isn't the end all be all. And I've come to prove the opposite. This sub MASSIVELY underestimate the power of advanced conquerors. I've done a few polls before, and here are the results.
So, this is blatantly wrong, and another one of my polls proved it.
As you can see, the results are pretty close. Luffy can tank his King Kong gun according to this poll which I don't believe, but even then, since the results are so close, he almost certainly couldn't take 2 hits. Now here is the thing about acoc.
This is Luffy after pummeling Kaido with gear 4th hits.
And after unlocking acoc, it's pretty much implied that his base punches hit harder than his acoc punches.
So acoc Luffy would one shot acoa Luffy, and if not, he'd 2 shot him.
I am pretty confident that an acoc punch from base Luffy would be more powerful than a white star gun with pure acoa as well, as it's power level is at most comparable to a King Kong /overkong gun, even if you believe it is stronger. And that's without even using his stretching powers there.
And not only that, acoc comes with a durability boost as you can see down here
Luffy takes one clean acoc hit
Luffy the next chapter is still unconscious
Even after regaining consciousness, he's still called a dead man walking from one attack
All it took was one clean hit from regular hybrid Kaido to put down pre acoc Luffy for a little while. Alright, one hit from an acoc user to put down a non acoc user, does that remind you of anyone?
Next up, after unlocking acoc, Luffy becomes significantly more durable.
Here we see Luffy taking a hit from a drunken hybrid Kaido who's not only visually more muscular, but also likely to be taking the fight more seriously than before, as he says he has acknowledged Luffy at the beginning of the very same chapter (chapter 1037)
Luffy is obviously in pain from that attack, but very much walks it off, and would go on to keep fighting for awhile after that.
So we can clearly see acoc gives a durability boost, and it's only logical to assume that boost is the same as the AP boost, since nothing indicates otherwise.
So now, let's get to the main issue:
How do admirals compete with that?
The simple answer is: They can't. It's likely not possible without an extremely broken devil fruit, such as Magellan's, or Sugar's, but even then, the effects of haki against this fruit are unknown, and any range fighter could dispose of them. I mean, sure, admirals have strong devil fruit, and 2 types of advanced haki, but compared to someone like Kaido. Even if we assumed that Kaido was as physically strong as an admiral, which I think we can fairly assume is not the case, and Kaido surpasses most admirals in physical strength, he'd still have a comparable devil fruit in terms of power, and comparable haki, even if you disregarded his conqueror. He posses both advanced observation, and advanced armament. You can say the exact same thing for someone like Luffy, or even Whitebeard, although he exists outside of the argument. Even for Big Mom to an extent, even though people think she's lacking in observation, I'd say her noticing Zoro's attack is a sign of good observation, but regardless, let's keep moving. Someone like Shanks is comparable to these other foes by simply having an advanced conqueror that is just that much more powerful than theirs, to make up for his lack of physicals and devil fruit. But, we're not even talking about Shanks level haki here. The AP boost I cited only applies to Dead man walking, crude acoc Luffy. Every yonko's advanced conqueror's level, (for those who have it), almost certainly scales above that, as they have had much more time to master it. Also, Luffy only splits the skies after eating meat, and coming back to clash with Kaido in chapter 1026, which means his acoc got even more powerful, which means the acoc buff got even stronger.
Call it bad power system if you want, but it is still the power system we've got. Advanced conqueror's is ridiculously powerful, and allows the yonkos to eclipse the admirals in power. Most people who believe these 2 groups are relative simply do not understand the ridiculousness of the power up.
A character unlocking acoc would likely at least be able to output more power than the equivalent of their second strongest attack before, in a single fruitless punch. The admirals simply cannot keep up, unless acoc is retroactively nerfed, but in that case, the admirals will only be keeping up with weakened yonkos.
Also, for those bringing up Zoro, Yamato and old Garp, I have counterarguments for that too, but that's what we're trying to focus on, so I'll be quick. First of all, we don't even know if Old Garp has conqueror's, and Kuzan only took 3 attacks from him, and I doubt his former mentor would be going all out against him anyways. Also, let's not forget Garp was very injured for 2 of these attacks, and only the first one was a named attack, which sent Kuzan down the hole, and he took a little time to recover from that one. And if you're asking how Shiryu managed to stab him, human characters are weak to stab attacks no matter what, unless they specifically use black hardening in the area being stabbed.
When it comes to Zoro, he lacks advanced armament, and acoa is also a huge boost, but it is also a requirement for anyone with advanced conqueror's, besides Zoro, as Zoro's conqueror haki is being drained out of him by Enma. So because he doesn't have that, he's currently going even with Base Lucci. Also he was barely YC4 before Wano anyways so there is also that.
For Yamato, she only hit Greenbull with one unnamed acoc attack in base, and it clearly hurts him, even though he was in a defensive form. And once again, we can also argue her advanced conqueror's is not as strong as a yonko's. In any case, I'm looking forward to see these two progress to new heights most of the community couldn't have predicted in the future.
In conclusion, Acoc is insanely broken, and admirals vs yonkos will never be competitive so long as it exists. The only real fight between a yonko with acoc, and an admiral we've seen was the perfect match up for the admiral. Kizaru could evade Luffy's hits, and defeat him without damaging him by simply outlasting him, so the extra power and durability would not matter in that case. And let's not forget that he was also assisted by Luffy not using that advanced conqueror until his last punch, and when he did, he one shot Kizaru. Apparently, he's getting back up now, but if he fought any other yonko, who wasn't limited by a time limit, he would've been done for, mid diff.
I'm not trying to be biased here, but I genuinely do not know how an admiral can compete with that power. If you have any logical argument for that, feel free to share them, I am genuinely curious.
Posted Jan 18, 2024, 1:20 AM UTC