Two of the strongest arguments in the world for the existence of God [self]

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I'm curious how you all react to two of the strongest arguments in the world for the existence of God.

Design Argument: Premise 1. If God doesn't exist, then nothing in the universe has a design or plan. If God doesn't exist, then man has no design, no "human nature". Premise 2. Obviously some things in the universe have a design, such as man. Conclusion. Therefore there is a God.

Moral Argument: Premise 1. "If God doesn't exist, everything is [morally] permissible." - Dostoyevsky Premise 2. Obviously not everything is morally permissible. Conclusion. Therefore God exists.

If you deny premise 2 in the design argument, you have to argue against this point, made succinctly by Albert Pike, a 33 degree Scottish Rite Freemason.

"[The atheist] must deny that there is any plan in the Universe or any part of it. He must hold, either that matter is eternal, or that it originated itself, which is absurd. No doubt it is beyond the reach of our faculties to imagine how matter originated, how it began to be, in space where before was nothing, or God only. But it is equally beyond the reach of our faculties to imagine it eternal and unoriginated. To hold it to be eternal, without thought or will; that the specific forms of it, the seed, the rock, the tree, the man, the solar system, all came with no forethought planning or producing them, by "chance" or "the fortuitous concourse of atoms" of matter that has no thought or will; and that they indicate no mind, no plan, no purpose, no providence, is absurd. Either there never was any such thing as a "plan," and the word is nonsense, or the Universe exists in conformity to a plan."

So if you see a line in the sand, you could wager it was made by a wave. If you see an "S" in the sand, maybe it was made by a snake. But if you see the letters, "S.O.S." in the sand, you could bet with certainty that it was made by a human.

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