SequinRococo•

A young woman’s mind is not so fragile that a bit of lacy underwear will completely ruin her brain.

is it really okay to teach young women that self-respect and sex are mutually exclusive? That you can either go to college or wear a push bra? That you can either save the world or wear lacy underwear? No, I don’t think so.

Someone understands! I had to fight this in my college science classes all the time. I like wearing make-up, and my nails are usually manicured and I dye my hair, and sometimes wear "trendy" clothing. And I would receive stares and snide comments from men and women in my lab classes.

I had a professor who would constantly pick on me--I knew the answers but he purposely would ask with a smirk, and end in a frown because I had the correct answer.

One time he even said that an answer I gave was incorrect despite repeating back my answer verbatim. Luckily another student who picked up on his "bullying" said out loud, that SequinRococo just said that, to which he replied: Oh I wasn't listening. UGHGHJUHTGJKKLLK

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sagarp•

Dude... what an asshole

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SequinRococo•

I hate to admit it, but I cried a few times because it was that bad, and complaining to the department wasn't option... I managed a B in his lab

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sagarp•

I think crying over it is like the only reasonable thing to do. It's so subversively oppressive... you know they're judging you for being girly or whatever, but you can't really call them out cause it sounds like a crazy complaint. Plus they might not even know that they're doing that. They're just jerks!

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SequinRococo•

They're just jerks!

He also wasn't American. From his name and accent I can assume he was from a culture where its alright to objectify and shame women. UGH, if we're expected to play by their rules in their countries, why can't they play by ours over here?

ready for the downvotes

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21Celcius•

I honestly think that this anti 'sexualization of women' is just another attempt at control. A lot of 16-17 year olds are having sex, and why wouldn't they want to dress up for their partner or themselves? I adore pretty clothing which includes knickers and bras, I wear them because they look and feel good but they don't muddle my brain and suddenly change who I am.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to decorate your body.

What I'm currently wearing: hair in curls, silk dressing gown with floral print, sexy black lace and cotton house dress, retro mesh knickers. What I'm currently doing: Tidying up and completing my university assignment which I have no doubt I will do very well on.

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sarah_von_trapp•

Aren't you currently making a comment on reddit?

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21Celcius•

quick look and reply when flicking between journals.

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cardenaldana•

Ah that sounds so cute! One of these days i'm going to put my hair in rollers and put a cute cap over it.

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21Celcius•

Try rag curls, I love that 1920's look they give me.

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cardenaldana•

Oh my gosh, thank you for suggesting that! I'm trying these out tonight :)

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[deleted]•

Teenager will have sex in potato bags if they must, so trying to ban sexy clothing will do nothing.

Though I am for banning excessively "sexy" (ie revealing) clothing at school. I am also for decent sex ed.

There was a man who escaped a concentration camp in WW2 every night to make love to his lady, and returned the next morning every time.

Sex drive is a powerful thing, especially in puberty, and we should stop ignoring it and start educating about it.

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little_gnora•

I recall having a really similar experience with a friend in HS. All she ever wore were dull white cotton panties/bras. And while there is nothing really wrong with white cotton, this friend was an artist who relished color; lively beautiful vibrant color, and textures, and patterns. She loved them in her clothes, but wouldn't wear them in her underthings becuase she might be labeled "trashy".

I spent a very long time trying to convince her that she could wear the beautiful colors she liked at Victoria's Secret just for her own pleasure and no one would think any less of her. It was a long process making her believe that if te colors and fabrics made her happy there was nothing "trampy" about them.

What finally broke the ice was a white bra with light pink lace and the fabric was printed with a delicate pink design of faeries. She couldn't resist it, and we took baby steps from there. I still buy her colorful panties (she picks out and I pay) for her birthday every year.

It's a learned thing, but it can be unlearned too. Now I am proud to say that she is a more confident woman, who just might be wearing purple silk poke-a-dot undies today and is proud of them. :)

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JNDFANTASY•

I like lace, frills, mesh, satin, and sequins. I adore corsets and leather. I wear what makes me feel good. I'm Ace, and dressing like this makes me feel confident, pretty, and put together. It has absolutely zero bearing on mating. Feeling feminine is awesome. It only becomes a bad thing when we make it one and try to oppress it.

If teenaged girls weren't told it was so wrong then there wouldn't be as much of an extreme, honestly. Hormones are going to cause more issues for anyone before clothes. I was groped, oggled, and cat-called in my teenaged years and I wore sweatpants, turtlenecks, and leggings primarily. It's another scapegoat plain and simple.

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Grafeno•

There's guys who like sweatpants, turtlenecks and leggings more than lingerie. Which actually strengthens the point you were making :)

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JNDFANTASY•

Good to know...=)

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macallen•

That would be me, in fact :) I don't grope/oogle/etc, but I do appreciate :)

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Grafeno•

For me it's football (the global kind) t-shirts and.. tracksuit bottoms. And this kind of backpack. Or bags in general really.

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dessininja•

I haven't reread the original article, but I remember being moved by what the father had to say. I think a lot of his issue centered on the wording- which was sexualized- being targeted at young women just finding themselves. Of course it is wonderful to feel pretty in your own clothes including undergarments. But sending the message to young women that they can be defined by the wording on their ass isn't about feeling pretty in your underwear.

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fuckpigletsgethoney•

Obviously, it is entirely possible to want to wear nice lingerie, and yet not be ready to engage in sexual activity

Thank you!!! I've loved VS since I was 14 or 15. I didn't have a boy see me with my clothes off until I was 18 and in a serious relationship. That was a solid 3 years of wearing panties that said "you want this" in neon on the back without doing anything sexual! I just like pretty underthings the same way other people like pretty accessories. I would never spend more than $10 on a scarf but I will easily throw down over $100 on bras on panties because they make me feel good about myself.

But I guess it's easier for parents to blame Victoria's Secret than to admit that their precious princess has a sex drive.

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[deleted]•

I don't know why these people think all lingerie is sexual? If a teenager wants to have sex, they will do it with or without lingerie.

I've never owned lingerie in my life. I generally tried to match the colour, and even when I didn't (or wore very ugly underwear), no one cared.

Teenagers will have sex even if you make them all wear burkas head-to-toe. It's just something that happens.

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