Is this thing done right, what do you think?
Posted Aug 15, 2013, 3:56 PM UTC
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Better than the gendered ones. Still, it's a lot of rhetorical nonsense.
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It's useless. Raising the punishments for rape would be FAR more effective.
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Punishment is very poorly correlated incident of crime. Compare crime rates across jurisdictions with or without capital punishment, and there's no statistically significant different.
But yeah, this type of 'education' is completely useless.
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Capital punishment is not a good example for the question at hand. I would much rather see comparisons made between groups of people who are punished for committing crimes and groups of people who aren't.
It would make for a good psych experiment and I am dead sure that the ones who aren't punished will continue to commit crimes.
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But you still need some form of mental inhibition, even if only token. There's a reason unstructured anarchy is dangerous to the individual.
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raising the punishments for a crime in the absence of due process weakens the general respect for law and order.
I think our first duty w.r.t the crime of rape is to restore due process.
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Restoring due process for men is important, but I believe that severely punishing women who are guilty of rape is also extremely important.
You know how we keep seeing more and more female teachers raping male students? It's because they know they won't get punished for it.
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If a man has been raped by a woman, and he tries to bring charges, his rapist can turn around and accuse him of having raped her, and her counter charge would be more credible than his, thanks to due process for men being so minimal.
So before you can possibly bring about a world in which female rapists get their due punishment, you need to fix due process.
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If most sexual assault is caused by someone you know then why would you give people advice like this?
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To break people up.
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It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't type of deal. You either mess up your relationships for the sake of "security" or you get labeled as someone who is a suspect of criminal acts.
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Am I the only one who saw this as a joke?
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I hope it is a joke, but if it is its a perfect example of satire being indistinguishable from the real thing
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It is satire, mocking the advice like "watch your drink, use a buddy system" to prevent someone from raping you. It is intended to sound ridiculous because the author probably thought said advice is also somewhat ridiculous.
EDIT: I may have misspoken - I don't think the author believed the advice itself is ridiculous so much as the sentiments behind it. Though, again, I'm not the author, I would venture a guess that the sentiment being mocked is not "Watching a drink will not make you less likely to be raped", but "We should prevent rape by asking women to watch their drinks".
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Using the buddy system is great advice. There is always safety in numbers, and it allows for people to help look out for each other.
Mocking good advice is morally wrong. It makes people not follow good advice, which leads to more people getting hurt.
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The advice would be over the top because the chances of being raped and someone spiking your drink are relatively very low. If it was indeed that risky for women to have their drink spiked and then raped then the advise to "watch your drink" and "use a buddy system" would indeed be sound advice.
So, if rape is as prevalent as feminists claim the advice they mock is actually good advice. If rape is actually quite rare then it's fair to mock as being a waste of time most of the time.
Of course what they assert is that we shouldn't give women any advice at all on how to limit their potential victimisation like we would any other crime. As if somehow rape is a totally different crime to any other crime and women should just be able to do what they please and just tell the rapists not to rape. That's what makes these feminist "jokes" so damn stupid.
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I was starting to think the same thing.
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For the benefit of others who stumble upon this, here's how you should see this line of thinking, without 'victim blaming':
Take the analogue of a robbery. A homeowner goes off to work and comes home to find out they no longer have a TV, stereo, and various other items. There are two parties involved here:
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The victim(homeowner)
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The thief(ves)
In this situation people will say things like: get better locks, get a security system, etc. They're telling the homeowner - the victim - to take preventative measures so they are not robbed again. They are not telling the thief to stop stealing. The reason? Because all adults are completely aware of the ethical and legal ramifications of stealing. It's not a mystery.
Apply it to rape:
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The raped(let's assume a woman in this case, though men can also be raped)
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The rapist
Like the homeowner/thief scenario, advice can be given to the people who have been raped or who are at high risk of being raped(women in this scenario). Don't leave a bar without your friends. Don't go home with a strange guy. Don't go home with a guy you're not dating. All sound advice for a victim or potential victim. Likewise, telling rapists that raping is bad is just as moot as telling a thief that stealing is bad. They know. It's not a mystery to anyone.
If you don't want to be mugged, you don't go walking down a dark alley alone with your pockets bulging with money.
If you don't want your house burgled then you get a security system and get locks installed on your doors.
If you don't want to be raped you don't place yourself in situations where you're alone with someone you don't know, especially if they can physically over power you and you have no means of defense.(they could, actually, rob and/or murder you...as it were...in addition to the rape).
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I'm not sure what your point is, so I'm going to assume you are asking us for feedback on how you worded this frame in your powerpoint presentation.
- The title is inaccurate and should be rewritten "How to stop yourself from sexually assaulting people".
- This is English. The third person plural pronoun is not neuter singular. Rewrite the second point "Don't assault people who are walking alone" and the fourth "...you can't have sex with an unconscious person".
- With regard to the third point, I can't imagine someone saying to me, "Kempff, I have the tendency to sexually assault people when I'm out in public. Would you accompany me to the club tonight and keep me in line?"
- Finally, if you think sexual assaults can be prevented by telling people not to sexually assault others, then I wonder whether your family's money and my tax dollars could be better spent elsewhere.
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Excellent advice for people raised by wolves. Who almost certainly can't read.
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Useless tripe.
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You've never had my mom's menudo.
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What I hate the most about these statements (gendered or not) is how flippant they are about the issue. As if the only reason rape happens is because people carelessly and thoughtlessly rape.
Not sexually assaulting someone isn't like wearing a seatbelt. You can't "remind" people to not sexually assault someone. People don't "forget" that sexual assault is bad.
The right answer to your question is far to complicated to fit on a powerpoint slide.
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It's dumb, patronising , and trying to pretend to be gender neutral. If its satire, it's only funny if its making fun of feminists rape hysteria
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god this is so disgusting
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Though the topics are genderless... It smacks of the rape culture hysteria spewing out of feminism these days and its just pathetic that they have attempted to make the same message .. genderless. There is no "rape culture". It is a false portrayal of society and men. The term "rape culture" is a sociological LABEL (re: labeling theory.) being used to create a non existent virtual cognitive reality where young women are mentally brainwashed into thinking men are enemies/something to be scared of/ not to be trusted. It's a fucking pathetic and desperate label from an exclusive group of primarily radical feminist females that actually hate men. But further their cause is actually being destroyed in Western cultures and they need to be relevant in some way.. Victimology 101
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how to prevent picking your nose:
dont pick your nose.
how to stop ice cream melting:
eat it quickly.
you are a fool playing a fools game.
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Thanks for that, I was just about to roofie someone and then rape them but now that I've seen that I'm not going to anymore. Seriously? The kind of people who rape are not the kind of people who are going to listen to this.
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I think this is a really sarcastic and insensitive way to treat a serious topic. It's less offensive than the gendered one, but still offensive.
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The last bullet point is quite false. Couples constantly engage in sexual activities while one party is, either at the start or end, sleeping. As long as all is agreed upon and consented to before hand, there isn't a problem. People want to keep trying to make definitions of rape that don't actually fit how people act.
Also to note, this is likely going on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. When my little sister goes off to college, I'm going to tell her to watch her drink at all times, just like my mother taught me. Does that means she deserves something bad to happen if she doesn't watch her drink? Hell no! But, I want her to be safe, and there are certain actions that increase safety that I will advise her to follow. Why? Because there are bad people out there who want to do bad things and if telling them no doesn't stop them from being bad.
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Haha, I always laugh at this stupid shit. I get it that some people need it drilled into their head but seriously.
"Here's a guide on how to commit sexual assault. Do the opposite of what these slides say."
I love the assault one though. Don't assault someone who is walking alone? Well damn, there goes my day.
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Also, a little nitpick, the person doesn't have to be intoxicated to the point of being unconscious for it to be sexual assault. Intoxication is enough - this powerpoint might give people the idea that it's legally ok if they are drunk, but not passed out.
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How to stop murder:
Don't murder people. Don't get really angry in the vicinity of sharp objects and/or guns.
Lets see how well that campaign goes.
Use the buddy system! If you are not able to stop yourself from killing people, ask a friend to stay with you in public.