Master manipulator or just gods plans?
First time poster, long time listener. I thought who best to solve the teen drama
My brother (20) — let’s call him Dave — has just broken up with his first girlfriend, let’s call her Sarah (also 20).
Background: Dave grew up in a family full of girls. His older sisters are 18, 16, 12, and 10 years older than him, so he isn’t your typical "boy’s boy." He’s very shy and young in spirit (he was nervous about kissing a girl). He’s still chasing his dreams and therefore refuses to get a full-time job, which drives us all nuts — but our mum has allowed that to happen.
Over the last five years, he’s expressed an interest in religion and now identifies as Christian (this will be relevant later). The rest of us are atheists, possibly because our grandparents were all extremely religious — maybe even to a damaging degree — which put us off.
Dave met Sarah through friends and fell for her hard (and she supposedly felt the same). They started officially dating after just a few outings. He introduced her to us quickly because he was so excited. She was similar in many ways — reserved, dream-chasing, still living at home. However, she doesn’t have a driver’s licence and relies on others to pick her up and drop her off.
This began to annoy Mum, as my brother was constantly driving her around and racking up toll charges. From the beginning, I was concerned about how much Dave adored her and did everything she wanted — it didn’t seem like an equal relationship. She would never catch public transport to visit him. Eventually, she gave him some money for fuel, but the imbalance was clear.
They spent all their time together, talked about God and their future kids, and made long-term plans. Sarah is supposedly moving overseas for a scholarship (though I doubt it). She’s vague, unprepared, and when questioned, she seems to believe everything will just magically work out. She works infrequently and lives at home with her siblings and mother.
Her mum is a single Spanish mother with strict rules — For example:
A curfew.
Dave has to message both Sarah and her mum personally every time he visits.
Dave spends a lot of time at their house and even runs errands for her mum in the hopes she’ll approve of their “godly match.”
The Breakup: They recently had their first argument when Dave found out she’d been spending time alone with an ex. She claimed it was nothing — they’re just family friends — but admitted that the ex still has feelings for her. She also told the ex she had a boyfriend… but continued to see him. From what Dave has described (without realizing it), I’m quite sure this ex is the one she lost her virginity to years ago, before he dumped her.
Dave said he loved her too much to fight, but he was hurt that she spent time with the ex alone.
Last Friday, they celebrated their two-month anniversary. Dave brought flowers and gifts, they went out, said they loved each other (verbally and physically), and he continued seeing her daily.
Then, Monday night, after cuddling and kissing on the couch, she suddenly told him she wanted to break up. It was 12:30 AM — (curfewis 1am), and he had a 45-minute drive home. She had been in the bathroom for a long time on the phone, then came out and said, “I need to work on myself.”
Dave asked if she had felt this way for a while. She said yes — “a few weeks.” He left devastated and drove to our older sister’s house, where he broke down.
Now Here's the Real Problem: Since the breakup, Sarah has continued sending him love-bombing TikToks, and he says he feels the same way about her. When he brings this up, she tells him he’s “reading into it.” But let’s be honest — you don’t send those kinds of TikToks unless you want someone to feel something.
This has gone on for days. She says they should be “just friends,” but still asks him to pick her up before his big game so she can support him. She tells him she cares and that maybe one day they can be together again.
I’ve tried explaining manipulation to him, but he keeps saying she’s a “loving, beautiful person” and that she’s just asking him to wait until she’s ready.
I’ve tried explaining that he’s her backup plan. That she’s getting attention from the guy she really wants — the ex — and she never respected boundaries in the first place. He refuses to believe it. He says she told him to “wait until she can love herself again.”
It gets worse.
Sarah got angry at Dave for not always personally messaging her mother when he was coming over — even though he had already messaged her. He told her once that sometimes he’s tired and can’t be bothered, especially before long drives.
At first, I thought maybe this was just her being protective of her mum’s feelings.
WRONG.
That’s when I asked if they had had sex. He got emotional and said yes — it was his first time. I casually asked when. He said she tells him to come over during the day when her mum isn’t home.
So I pointed out the hypocrisy: She’s furious that he occasionally forgets to text her mum, yet she’s secretly having sex in her mother’s house — breaking a major rule her mother clearly values.
Also worth noting: originally, Dave wanted to wait until marriage. And before anyone says “he’s a guy,” imagine Piglet from Winnie the Pooh and all his nervous little courage — that’s the level of shy we’re dealing with here.
Her friends — and even some of his — are telling him to wait for her. That this is all part of a “true love plan.”
He keeps calling and messaging her, telling her he loves and misses her. We’ve told him not to, but love is a powerful drug.
My older sister said she overheard Sarah acting as if there was never a relationship at all — happy, chatting, unbothered — while still sending him affectionate videos on social media. We logged him out of his accounts in a bid to stop the cycle, but they call each other anyway.
Tonight, she told him he needs to work on himself before they can be together. (Not that I necessarily disagree — but talk about the pot calling the kettle black.) She also works part-time, lives at home, doesn’t have a licence, and has no clear path ahead.
What bothers me is that once again, she has made this his problem — as if he now has to prove himself worthy of her.
After he told me about the breakup, I removed her from social media. As if this relationship is salvageable after everything?
Well, tonight she struck again — telling him how hurt she felt by my family for removing her and how upset she was by it.
I told Dave I’m concerned she’s trying to manipulate and isolate him from his support system. He told me I hurt her feelings and that he loves her and wants to fix this so we can all move forward together.
Reddit: how can I explain this to a boy’s brain? She’s not just a red flag — she’s a red banner.
Posted May 7, 2025, 2:32 PM UTC