Non Calvinist — Pursuing Truth, maybe I’m wrong. How do you reconcile these verses?
I am pretty well versed in debating against Calvinism but right now I am sort of thinking maybe I’ve been wrong.
*Note: Please be nice, I’m not here for combat. I’m here to understand. Please be patient with me. Jesus Christ is my Lord & Savior, I’m a Born Again Christian.
The below verses are not me pompously saying “well… Riddle me This! Bat MAN!!!”
I’m being genuine. Asking, cause I don’t know.
Oh also note: I’m a big time Sola Scriptura guy.
If anyone can be helpful, here are the verses I feel make it impossible that… All who get saved today in 2025 were 100% each time for sure preselected before they were born that they would be Saved:
1 Timothy 2:1-4 (ESV) 1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9 (ESV) The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Matthew 11:21 (ESV) “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
*Note: I hold Scripture as Truth 100%
Some Men are in the habit of saying more than what the Bible says — I.e. Logic, Deductive Reasoning, Inference, Ideas, Theories (Guess work) — No one should ever be “Dogmatic” about those things, only Scripture — Lots of “Theology” is actually the above things (Logic, Deductive Reasoning, Inference, Logic, Theory etc).
When someone says “I love Theology” they’re often times referring to things they were written by men - that aren’t in the Bible, lie ideas & Theories etc about the parts of the Bible that aren’t so clear - or inferences & Logic that fill in the gaps where Scripture doesn’t say etc…
I’m fine with hearing theories as long as they’re prefaced that way. Many who teach theories, teach them dogmatically as though it’s in the Bible just like they said it, when in fact it’s not.
I’m telling you all this in advance so you know any response that requires me to believe Man’s logic, inference, deductive reasoning, any tools/tactics from Philosophy etc, I’ll just respond — that’s not in the Bible.
So like are there any places in Scripture that:
A) Affirm that all Christians (outside of the hand selected Apostles) — all Christians who get saved today — every one of them was pre chosen by God to be saved?
B) Using Scripture alone — reconcile the above verses with that as well?
*Also note: this entire time I’ve been reading all verses that affirm a Calvinist’s Soteriology as… all who are in Christ (all saved people) are Predestined to have Glorified Bodies in the future, Heaven is the destiny for all who are in Christ, and all who are in Christ are called to live Holy & yielding good works etc…
Not so much predestined to be in Christ — but… God decided long ago that everyone who is in Christ will have XYZ specific truths as their destination after their mortal lives are up, and all who are in Christ are called / elected to live a certain way, called to service etc.
So like if you can provide verses that beat all the above — make it through every loophole (lol) that would be great.
That would be awesome actually!
I’m trying to figure this out if you guys can be helpful.
This is super comprehensive — so like the should be no more information needed.
I notice in the past when asking Calvinist questions (we think so differently) they tend to respond as though my questions don’t make sense, or like it’s still unclear what I’m asking Etc…
All the information is here ☝️
Questions are super clear.
And again, super genuine. I am being sincere.
Please be kind / patient with me.
If you have nothing nice to say, please refrain from responding.
Jesus loves you!
Thank you.
Posted Aug 4, 2025, 4:36 PM UTC