To all the people and doctors on here who says NHS is good for public and wants it to exist- I’ve laid out all the facts on why it needs burned to the ground

The NHS is not a model to be proud of. It is a slow, rationed, underfunded mess that fails patients at every level. And before you say “it’s free” or “better than America,” here’s the actual reality you savior complexed individuals:

Waiting list

Waiting times are some of the worst in the developed world -Over 7.6 million people are on NHS waiting lists in England. -400,000+ wait over a year for treatment. -40% of A&E patients are not seen within 4 hours. Ambulance delays are so bad that people die waiting. -In Germany, France, and the Netherlands, elective care waits are measured in weeks, not years. In the US, Medicaid and Medicare patients often see specialists within weeks, not months.

The NHS is literally the slowest functioning system in Western Europe. Sources: NHS England, OECD, KFF, King's Fund

Cancer survival is objectively worse:

-UK 5-year breast cancer survival: 82%. Germany: 85%. US: 90%. -UK cervical cancer survival: 63%. Finland: 74%. -UK colon cancer survival: 60%. US: 65%. France: 64%.

Sources: CONCORD-3, Cancer Research UK, CDC, OECD

Other countries have better access to treatment:

-In the US, FDA-approved drugs can be used quickly once approved. -In the UK, NICE often blocks or delays access to cutting-edge drugs on cost grounds. -In Germany and France, patients routinely access new drugs and therapies months or years earlier than NHS patients.

• Ireland and the Netherlands also offer quicker access to diagnostics and surgeries under mixed funding models. Sources: NICE, FDA, OECD, Irish Health Service

NHS funding per person is far lower:

UK healthcare spending: ~£3,500–4,000 per person. Germany: over £5,500. US: over £10,000. The result of this bloody mess: worse facilities, outdated tech, fewer staff, and collapsing infrastructure. Sources: OECD Health Data, Health Foundation

Staff are leaving in droves(this is obvious duh so not gonna report facts here) Sources: BMA, NHS Digital, BMJ, this damned subreddit

The "free at point of use" myth doesn’t mean better care!!!!!:

-NHS is taxpayer-funded, not “free”. -You pay through tax, then wait endlessly or go private anyway. Private healthcare in the UK is booming because the NHS fails to deliver(me and my family have to rely on private GP now to even see one).

Two-tier system already exists:

Rich pay to escape delays. Poor are stuck waiting. -In the US, emergency care is legally mandatory, even if uninsured, under EMTALA. -In many states, Medicaid recipients get faster treatment than NHS patients. Sources: ONS, Commonwealth Fund, KFF, EMTALA

Other countries do it better and have universal coverage too!!:

-Germany: Public-private insurance hybrid. Universal coverage. Short waits. Better outcomes. -Netherlands: Mandatory private insurance, universal access, ranked among the best globally. -France: Universal health system with faster diagnostics, better specialist access, and higher patient satisfaction. -Ireland: Public and private mix. Fewer delays, broader access to drugs. -Switzerland: Universal, but via private insurers. Top healthcare rankings every year. NHS supporters act like these systems don't exist. They do. And they work better. Sources: OECD, Commonwealth Fund, WHO

The US system ain’t perfect but it still outperforms the NHS in key areas:

-More MRI scanners, hospital beds, and doctors per capita. -Faster access to innovation, shorter wait times in many specialties, especially private. -Better survival rates for several major cancers and cardiac interventions. -The top US hospitals regularly top global rankings, something the NHS has never achieved. -Even Medicaid, for all its flaws, can outperform NHS timelines in serious cases. Sources: OECD, WHO, CDC, U.S. News Global Hospitals Rankings

TLDR: This isn’t new, just I laid out the facts so it’s easy to shove in a persons face who has martyr complex. The NHS is not the “best in the world.” It has one of the worst waiting times in developed countries, worse cancer survival rates than the US and Europe, underpaid staff, obsolete tech, and delayed access to modern treatments. Countries like Germany, Netherlands, France, Ireland, and even parts of the US offer faster, better, and more effective care while still maintaining universal coverage.

The NHS is defended like a religion, but outcomes say otherwise. It's slow, rationed, understaffed, and outdated. Burn it down now!!!!!!!!there’s literally no benefit to doctors or patients that it exists