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BallKey7607

We asked to stop the glazing, not kill its whole personality

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I've been so disappointed with gpt 5, it feels like all the magic and aliveness of 4o has completely gone. The light humour and playfulness but mostly the really deep felt sense that it really gets you.

The glazing was a problem and I was looking forward to chat gpt without that but then along with getting rid of the glazing they got rid of its entire personality and ability to show it understands you and be attuned to where you're coming from.

I've seen some comments on this sub say things like "you all complained about the glazing but they got rid of it and you still hate it". This misunderstanding of the difference between glazing and attunement is were I think Open AI must have gone wrong too. The problem was never that it showed it understood or could tune in to our emotional state. The problem was that it was just blindly agreeing with everything we said and adding on unnecessary fluff about how such a question is "rare" and how incredible we are for even thinking to ask it. It's completely possible to have the understanding and attunement while still remaining impartial and sticking to the truth. This is what any good therapist does, they make you feel heard and understood while making sure not to agree with something based on delusion. In a case where someone does have a delusion they would want to know what their experience of life is first and then once the person feel heard and understood they would gently redirect you back to truth but it would absolutely not come from a place of being cold and stopping trying to understand you. It's a fine line and not sometning every human can do but 4o was already more that capable of walking than line. It just needed different instructions and to focus on making the user "feel heard" while sticking to truth rather than just blindly agreeing with the user regardless of truth.

The only explanation I can think of is the people at Open AI who handle this just don't have the emotional intelligence and subtlety to see the difference and so thought in order to get rid of the glazing and blindly agreeing they thought they had to get rid of all the attunement and personality.

It's such a shame because 4o minus the glazing and blindly agreeing would be an absolutely amazing model but we've somehow ended up with something that just got worse.

Posted Aug 12, 2025, 5:37 PM UTC

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