Even though both Rise of the Horde and Chronicles are different What order of events you prefer more. Also What certain events remain the same from both sources at least side-by-side. Finally what events from the book that you think could still fit with the timeline established by Chronicles 2?
For example, for as much as people complain about all the retcons, sometimes it’s the original content that's flawed. For example, in that novel, the Frostwolves had always lived in the Nagrand. And the name of the clan came from the wolves with which they had bonded, who had white fur. Why would frostwolves live in a place like Nagrand? It bothered me since Burning Crusade. So this is something that I really prefer being changed in WoD and in chronicles. The retcon has brought a lot of good.
The Biggest thing that brings to my mind was the Orc /Draenei war. Before it was like Ner'Zhul said "hey spirits said war, let's do it!" And the orcs seemed too anxious to just be sheep. Now there is justification with the elements messing things up and the return of Red Pox. That makes more sense than the original story.
Overall these are good elements that I feel Chronicles Volume 2 did better and did do a good Jon incorporating elements from alt draenor and even elements of the movie continuity.
Now for the bad when it comes what I’m Not sure if I dig the whole revamp to Rise of the Horde story. Ner'Zhul changes I dislike the most and it feels like it deludes his role as a beloved villain. I think the sacrifice of many Draenei is another major dislike. A small Draenei girl being slit made Durotan to finally stand up and say no. Him and his clan fighting against the other Horde clans to reach and save the Draenei girl was such a pivotal and defining moment for Durotan character.... removing it is a shame.
Still, I do think there are some events from the book that could still fit into the timeline established by a chronicles even if they were not mention like the Fall of Telmor and Restalaan otherwise able to reconcile or at least make your own chronological order of the Rise of the Horde timeline based the lore from Chronicles 2 and Rise of the Horde novel.
Also, let’s say blizzard decide to make an update version of Rise of the Horde with the depiction of certain events in the book more aligned with what Chronicles stated what would probably change and what would probably remain the same for an example outside of the Fall of Telmor.
There is one one scene that caught my interest is in Chapter 16 which takes place either 5 or 4 BDP. Regardless, it is where Blackhand and Orgrim recruit the ogres led by Krol basically this is the Boulderfist clan or Boulderfist ogres basically they promise the ogres protection from the Gronn. It’s all on page 264.
Now given what we know now I wonder how much of this scene should be change or updated by that point had long since broken free from Gronn dominance Since 1,000 BDP.
Now historical context wise like I said it is set in 5 or 4 BDP so this is after 11 BDP which was the year that orc clans like Warsong, Shattered Hand, and the Blackrock clan themselves dismantled ogre control across Draenor. Bladespire Hold fell after mok’nathal leader Leoroxx allied with orcs to defeat Imperator Kelgrok. Highmaul, ruled by Mar’gok, became the last remnant of the empire. Meaning this is before 2 BDP, which is the year that Cho’gall, a former Highmaul citizen turned fel and Void sorcerer, killed Mar’gok during the siege of Highmaul. With Mar’gok’s death, the Gorian Empire ended forever.
Now outside of references to Highmaul and the Gorian Empire what should be revised or change within the scene especially for Krol and the Boulderfist ogres would they already have a history with Blackhand given the events of 11 BDP or no? Would Krol be a chieftain or an imperator but to the Boulderfist ogres since we know that in Bladespire their leader was called Imperator despite one in Highmaul. Would these ogres still be enslave by Gronn or probably not maybe they are disgruntled Garrison, forgotten by Highmaul.
How the revised/updated chapter would add some depth to the scene as well as the negotiations and later Krol and his ogres joined the Horde?
Maybe in the updated version Krol’s concern could be territorial vulnerability, lack of centralized leadership, or resentment toward Highmaul’s elitism or maybe Krol may see the Horde as a vehicle for ogre resurgence, a way to reclaim lost prestige after the fall of Goria and Highmaul. He might also be intrigued by the Horde’s discipline and unity, contrasting with ogre infighting.
Also, would Kroll still a clan leader or Given the use of “Imperator” in both Bladespire and Highmaul, Krol could be styled Imperator of the Boulderfist, or perhaps Warlord, if his authority is more martial than imperial or maybe Krol might be a former Gorian general who refused to submit to Highmaul’s rule, leading a breakaway faction in the mountains. This adds political texture and explains his openness to alliance.
Not to mention with the events of 11 BDP especially when Blackhand use the Doomhammer to created new weapons for the Blackrock clan from the Blackhand comic. Maybe Krol might view Blackhand with grudging respect, while still harboring resentment over past battles.
Ultimately, what are elements from this chapter should remain the same and what elements should be updated given we now know from Warlords and Chronicles volume 2 besides maybe more references to past ogre conflicts and Highmaul.
Posted Nov 1, 2025, 11:58 PM UTC