The Biblical God evidence is so scant, that I don't consider it evidence at all

Hey Folks.

I would like to start with a simple statement to negate some responses.

I am (re)exploring that there is a "god", but the nature of that god is an on-going, lifelong discovery. I don't adhere to a particular religion.

So - God? I think so.

Christian God (or any Abrahamic for that matter), no.

I'd like to start by my observations of more than one thing with the bible.
By "the bible", I mean Torah, plus whichever New Testament you choose (that's not important).

The world is such, that I feel the reality of something beyond materialism is self-sufficient to explore a god/divine/beyond or transcendent place.

But that self-evidence is something to be explored and EXPERIENCED within each individual.

* The very nature of YHWH, the God of the patriarchs is so far from my experience of reality (when exploring the transcendent nature of this world) that I cannot marry up that character as genuinely existing.
- The one who ordered the massacre of the Amalekites.
- The one who insisted on circumcision as a sign of his people
- The one who ordered stoning and capital punishment
- The one who ordered Abraham's (halted) sacrifice
- I did list around 80+ examples to myself a year ago
Each of these things, which insist on human intervention to the destruction of others seems absolutely unbelievable to me. The same God which could rain brimstone onto Lot, chooses men for all other tasks of pain and punishment.
Each of these things relying on a "man of God" to "hear" God. Usually with others not having that capacity.

* The nature of the Torah being oral stories passed down - preserved well, yes, but irrelevant to a lot of history.
- I've spent a fair bit of my life, in the region of 12 years, examining the histories of the ancient tribes around the holy-lands and their evidences for journeys, stories and so on.
Some of it is viable, whereas some of it is straight up fiction that can never be reconciled.

* I absolutely consider much of the Torah to be allegory.
- The tower of Babel
- The Flood
- Moses and the stone tablets
- Adam, Eve, the garden

* I have spent time considering that they were real. Perhaps 10 years in total delving whole-heartedly into creation ministries as a (then) "non denominational" Christian.

* I spent time considering that all things can be reconciled, exploring Catholicism - both Roman and Orthodox.

I absolutely believe that the entire story of Jesus Christ, his status and his entire ministry are a house of sand if you don't take Genesis to be true.

If Genesis is only allegory, then why is Christ the "incarnate"?
If Genesis is literally true - I don't believe it.

But ultimately, the pull towards being Christian requires a man to become detective, denier of history, denier of clear science (evolution - cosmology - many other complex theories) and submitting to an "authority" who seem to know more than you do, despite finding clearly that they know less.

That the great architect of this dimension, this world, this existence would finitely limit itself to difficult to put together scribblings on paper, 2000 years old at their most recent and 3000 years for the history prior, smacks of absolute faith in something that requires turning a blind eye to everything intuitive to a human being.

Posted Dec 9, 2025, 9:51 AM UTC

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