The Truth (I think)
So I have recently seen a video by BryanStuff and it was about the controversy between the relationship between Crainer and Josh and whether the truth is as it claims to be for Crainer. In the video, he was talking about all of the post over social media about Josh having a 'crash out' against Crainer, Jelly and Crainer and calling them "scumbags". He was exclaiming and explaining the topics and showing the posts and discussing their overall relationships now in general and after thinking for myself, I have come to a theory myself.
Before I dive in, I want to establish now that it is JUST A THEORY and I have no actual knowledge over the situation apart from the facts from the sources given to me (posts online and videos from them). Do not start taking this as true fact because I have no idea on what the truth really is.
So the whole fight from Josh was about how Crainer is a 'betrayer', 'scumbag' and a 'liar' and so is Jelly and Jordi. Now we look when at the the situation before Crainer left, he had just been live streaming the whole time and why would he be live streaming? Well, his channel views have not been the best recently and he is a YouTuber and Views = Money. It's his job and with Crainer not having the best grades in school (as he dropped out), it means YouTube is the only job he could truly have and though he could survive on not many views earlier, he now has a wife and 2 kids to support and cannot afford to have less money and with no back up plan, he HAS to be live streams where he could actually get decent money and though he said that he left the group for more time with family, he is truly doing it because he is wasting time with recording with the boys every day if he won't be able to get anything off of it, hence being called a 'liar'.
When he joined Jelly and Kwebbelkop, he was 100% hating the idea of being with Jordi in a video, but he got quite decent views for it and he probably wanted to feed of the views for money and doing so, he broke his moral of what Jordi had done and having beef with him and Josh even said that he 'wished the old Crainer could talk to the current Crainer' hence showing the morality in the situation over ethics and philosophy.
In a RishyPOV video, there was a Q&A and one question was who would most likely be in the group just for views and Josh replied with Crainer showing that he really would do things for views due to his desperate he is and it seemed that everyone had agreed on that but changed the topic quite quickly because the question is only for people in the group.
Now before anyone goes accusing Crainer, I'd like to say that this is kinda our fault in the first place. The viewers have been mistreating and neglecting Crainer as a joke and see him as for granted. He is constantly being mocked and ridiculed on the internet - so much so that Josh even had to make a "Crainer Positivity Month" just got his mentality and sanity. You should all be ashamed. You bully someone on the Internet and not even giving him a dime for all he goes through. I agree this is of topic a little but when it comes to bullies, I have to say a word.
Now, I understand that some posts can be deleted as they are not within jurisdiction for the subreddit, but I ask you moderators to please just let someone from the real group of reply to this. I just want og truth - I think we all do. So if Josh, Rishy, Fin, Stu or Victor could reply that would be great, and if you think that I have gone past the boundary between the viewer-creator relationship line, then please, feel free to remove it and I will reevaluate my boundaries and I apologise in advance of you have to do so. But please could you send a reply to me before doing so (it will be deleted along with the post pfr everyone else but me) on where I went wrong - I just want to learn. I have been a fan for YEARS and I am just curious on where everything happened between my favourite creators have gone. Over the years, I have seen so many childhood hero YouTuber groups fall apart without telling us the real truth on what happened but I would hate for the same thing to happen with my ultimate favourite group. I promise I won't tell anyone, I swear an oath, I just want to know. Please. And thank you. Remember that even scars can heal, of may leave a permanent mark, sure, but it can heal. I hope that happens here. Thank you so much for making my childhood.
Posted Dec 29, 2025, 7:54 PM UTC