On the topic of the US military and being banned from r/socialism

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I want to engage with other socialists or those familiar with Marxist-Leninism on the topic of the military and what is to be done with soldiers moving forward. I am open to being wrong on the matter, and I want to hear different arguments and engage in discussion based in theory.

More specifically, the US military for example is the largest jobs program in the world. Many enlistees are working-class people with limited options and not ideological champions of empire. I'd generally expect socialists to evaluate the structural and economic reality of the United States which funnels desperate workers into the military. I've heard of so many people who graduated from college or high school into a horrible job market and felt like they had no other choice. I've also heard of plenty of people who served in the military and later felt immense remorse, especially after our crusade and massacres in Iraq.

The military is both an instrument of imperialism and composed of working-class people who can be radicalized. Writing off an entire section of the working class instead of organizing the rank-and-file military feels antithetical to basic Marxist-Leninism. The Bolsheviks understood this because soldiers were essential to the revolution. A massive portion of the Russian army was comprised of peasants and workers because these were people that had no other option.

This isn't to deny that the military produces and attracts people who commit atrocities but I feel that's an indictment of the institution and not a reason to abandon the rank and file.

Context for this post: I was responding to a post in r/socialism that contained this:

Title: There's a lot of military build up around Iran. The US is going to war. How many 'muricans will sign up to die in Iran? nothing more pathetic than an American soldier. How can you live only to die to get oil for your billionaire capitalist masters that will rape and eat your children? theyre truly lowest of the low

I pushed back on the framing as heavy-handed moralism instead of class/material analysis, and argued that saying soldiers are "the lowest of the low" doesn't examine the economic coercion that funnels working-class people into the military. I was banned for "imperial apologia" with no warning and no opportunity to have my ideas challenged.

Having a subreddit like r/socialism drowned in blanket moralizing instead of dialectical materialism, banning people for wanting to engage from a materialist analysis perspective is incredibly frustrating. This is the exact thing Lenin criticized in What Is To Be Done... undisciplined spaces with no theoretical rigor and accountability, where moderation substitutes for political education and uncomfortable discourse.

Posted Feb 19, 2026, 3:09 PM UTC · edited

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