Most jjk fans in the sub can't scale/read>[his post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroPowerscaling/comments/1r8pgjg/debunking_everything_on_this_post_because_holy/)

His whole post is mostly just ad hominem and headcanons, and most

>mahoraga is dumb.

>He isnt, during Shibuya, Mahoraga clearly developted stratergies such has feint attack, counter attack using sukuna's slashed and increase his size so killing him to be harder.

anime feat. but still valid. Most good scalers don't use fuse the manga and anime in the same discussion( anime goku has better feat than manga goku). He never did it once in the manga, even in modulo. In the anime, raga took minutes to adapt and finally heal his injuries, but they never mention it bc that's a massive anti feat, [check  the vid  at 3:11 to 4:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jZ6WDKgQvY), If we use this logic, he becomes even weaker than his manga counterpart

>Mahoragas not only adapts to the phenomena he's fighting but also the creature he's fighting.

headcanon 1. He can't adapt to fighting style, when I said fighting style, I'm talking about, martial art, he never shown the ability to out perform someone h2h, bc that's not his specialty,  adaptating to feint doesn't mean he can out-hands characters. sukuna was still overpowering him reguardless

>Mahoraga didnt copied Sukuna's slash, it slashed Gojo with his sword by adapting to infinity - 1° missconception

Headcanon 2. I'm not going into the detail bc the manga is free. raga didn't mimic suku's CT 1 to 1. He absolutely copied the nature of suku's CT, specifically dismantle, to create a counter for Infinity. That's what sukuna was waiting for, bc raga was his shadow>[proof](https://mangakatana.com/manga/jujutsu-kaisen.20224/c234). suku clearly explains that raga adapted to infinity twice. 1st time, it just changed its own CE to neutralize it. suku said that's not what he wanted, suku needed a way to bypass infinity that he could use, raga provided this by extending the target of its slash, suku explicitly says it was a near impossible technique to pull off but that model proved to be quite effective. If raga had simply used its sword to adapt, suku wouldn't have been able to learn the WCS from it> [proof](https://mangakatana.com/manga/jujutsu-kaisen.20224/c236)

>"Can't adapt to concept"... "these hands" - second missconception

He didn't even prove me wrong here. He simply says "second misconception" like that was an actual argument.

>"You need to destroy his body"

>Manga never said this, SUKUNA said that CLEAVE fits the critera to 1 shot, and **Maho doesnt need to be "1 shotted**" he needs to be killed FASTER than his adaptation, and a full sandstorm of cleaves can vaporize Maho (such has shown woth Malevolent Shrine MULTIPLE times) the Manga never implied or said. - third missconception

Headcanon 4. This might be the worst argument yet. How are ppl agreeing with the idea that raga doesn't need to be one shotted? suku explicitly states the only way to defeat raga is to slaughter it with a new attack b4 it can adapt. Suku says cleave fits the criteria but it has adapted to slashes in general>[proof](https://mangakatana.com/manga/jujutsu-kaisen.20224/c119), Cleave is a cutting technique, not an atomizing move.

MS doesn't vaporize everything, It turns everything into dust to fuel fuga to vaporize everything within the domain. This only shows that he doesn't even read the manga>[proof](https://mangakatana.com/manga/jujutsu-kaisen.20224/c259)

>"Cleave can't atomize" MS has shown MULTIPLE times to vaporize people, - fourth missconception

Headcanon 5. This line shows his lvl of literacy. He doesnt know the diff between [**atomization** ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1bs0p9u/what_is_the_difference_between_disintegration_and/)**and  v**[**aporization**](https://vsbattles.com/threads/destruction-vs-erasure-vs-vaporization.5182/#:~:text=Destruction%20involve%20several%20things%2C%20including,material%20and%20volume%20of%20it)**,** cleave/dismantle can [**pulverize**](https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Pulverization) you if you're weak enough

>"Gojo used red" - Gojo was fighting Raga for the FIRST time, he doesnt know how to properly 1 shot him and a full power Red CAN 1 shot Mahoraga - fifth missconception

headcanon 6, This is another bad faith argument. Gojo clearly knew abt raga's existence and his adaptation. The only thing he didn't know abt raga was how fast his adaptation worked and the process. He knew he needed to one shot him b4 the wheel turned, [proof](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/1ckskzq/how_was_gojo_surprised_by_this_shouldnt_he_have/)| [proof 2](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2aDiJ5WkAA59at.jpg) | [proof 3](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fis-this-a-reasonable-take-v0-oomxzcr1unrd1.png%3Fwidth%3D552%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D20364dc453e684477183a55ab3c806c022b27821)

>"Red = explosion" are you fr? -sixth missconception

headcanon7. red = explosion in simple term> [proof](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Technique_Reversal:_Red)

>"The raga from shibuya, shinjuku, and Modulo are diff (IQ) and speed of adaptation)"

>Nothing implies and neither shows this, different phenomenas have different times to adapt, blunt force is simple to adapt, unlike CTs like Dabura or Gojo's - seventh missconception.

Headcanon 8. suku amped his shadow with CE. Shinjuku raga is stronger and has better cognitive feats just [read](https://jjkaisen.com/chapter/235/)

>This doesnt help you argument at all you know, right?

This helps my argument bc it disproves the idea that raga can't be killed without being vaporized, and u just repeated what I said and twisted it

>shut the hell up and stop using bad faith argument, i dare you to use a SINGLE proof of how OP he is compared to Shibuya or Shinjuku, "ohh but he's amped" yes, it's Modulo, shouldn't we use the strongest version of a character on 1v1s, why are you trying to imply here, that Modulo Maho shouldn't be used to scale? Why? Are you THAT mad at a JJK upscaled. - first bad faith argument  
If you can't provide proof of how impactfull a buff is, you shouldn't even bring that to table, and ESPECIALLY try to make it sound like it's was a game changing buff.

[argument 1 ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroPowerscaling/comments/1qxy8nc/comment/o40lslz/?context=3)| [argument 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroPowerscaling/comments/1qxy8nc/comment/o40zjjv/?context=3) | [argument 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroPowerscaling/comments/1qxy8nc/comment/o42t2jw/?context=3)

>Good argument, HOWEVER, Heat and Blunt forcer aren't complicated concepts, Heat is well, heat made from the sheer pressure and speed of a attack, Mahoraga will adapt to it quickly, maybe not has quickly has blunt force, but surely wont take longer than blunt force

That's only if he survives deku's initial punch, which is smth u never talk abt. You just assume raga can tank everything and adapt instantly.

>Neither you believes that - second bad faith argument.

I believe deku can throw him into space bc he has the power to do so.

>I agree, but the point is WHEN he'll learn that? How much it'll take, will it take a couple of minutes? If yes Maho will adapt and things will get trickier.

If he doesn't splatter raga, then he will take a few minutes to figure it out. raga's survival entirely depends on the misconception that he can tank a punch from a deku who is trying to kill him.

>Deku's main power is blunt force, sure it has gearshift, fa-jin and so on to enhance, but the damage will surely be few considering the adaptation. I agree that it wont take long for Deku to realise this, but it also wont take long for Mahoraga to adapt to it.

agreed, if he survives

>He has.

See, that's the thing with ur whole argument. u basically say "nuh uh, raga can do that, without ever showing any proof or reasoning behind your claim. Show me a single time where his adaptation made him stronger than his opponent.

>How? Nothing in your post provides this? Is this just glaze? I'll consider bad faith.

Deku scales higher, that's it.

>7 missconceptions. 4 bad fait arguments. Jesus.

8 headcanons, 5 ad hominem attacks, 3 NLF, 2 strawman, and you moved the goalposts twice

You are not even debunking my argument. You are just trying to turn it into ridicule to hide the fact that you didn't use any source material once. u dunno the diff between atomization and vaporization, and u claim that destroying the body of raga b4 he adapts is not the solution to kill him.

This is true bad faith. I'm 100 percent sure that you are using bad faith as a buzzword without knowing what it even means.

You are not debating. You are just throwing a tantrum bc u want to be right

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