Woman in todays Dating are as good or bad as Men in Today Dating

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It’s very common to hear the expression “the bar is on the floor” when women talk about men. You hear it not just online but also in everyday conversations—at cafés, bars, or when women are chatting with their friends. What often comes up is the idea that men don’t put in effort, can’t carry a conversation, and generally fall short in basic social behavior.

And to be fair, there is some truth to that. The average guy can be pretty unimpressive. There are plenty of men who are perfectly decent, nothing extraordinary, but still reasonable. At the same time, there are also many who are complete trainwrecks socially. In my experience, other men often fail to notice these extremes because those guys don’t behave the same way around other men. But if you look at a woman’s Tinder inbox, or travel with a female friend in a less liberal country, you quickly see how common poor behavior and social incompetence can be.

That said, I think many women make the mistake of assuming that the average woman isn’t equally flawed. Women often complain that men don’t put in effort, but in reality, very few women are truly worth that effort either. The average woman can be just as insecure and unremarkable as the average man. While women may generally be more socially skilled, they often fall short in other ways, frequently coming across as painfully predictable, basic, or lacking depth.

So while women aren’t wrong to expect men not to behave like complete idiots and to put in some effort, the expectation should go both ways. If someone wants others to invest time, effort, and self-improvement for them, they also need to be someone who actually inspires that investment.

The big difference is this

while many men are expected to get therapy/lift wheights/get a career, have many friends, go out regulary, and so one to get a girlfriend woman are owned a good Men or nothing simply for existing

Posted Mar 5, 2026, 7:50 PM UTC

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