Mismatched Player Levels and the Rare Proxy Hater
I've only ever met 1 dude who cared about my 100% proxied edh and standard decks (for casual play ofc) and he must be hogging all the proxy hatred and skewing the average because he HATED them. I was playing full color, legible, cards and it was my upgraded teval precon another recent precon, a big spell copying list, and this guy's jodah the unifier deck. He was whining about how we didn't have to collect the cards like he did and he seemed to be very proud of having pulled a shockland from a pack. At one point I asked him the only question you need to ask proxy haters which is "would you be ok getting pubstomped by real cards or is the ACTUAL issue people mismatching power levels?" He said he'd rather have a nongame against real cards. He cast 2 spells the entire ~9 turn game because he didn't have any dual lands in his 5 color deck.
The discussion flair is here bc I have a feeling this type of person is just a lost monopoly player who's dealing with enfranchised players who play the game to enjoy the mechanics and strategy instead of playing a family board game. I sympathize the frustration of playing against sweats like us who go on mtg subreddits, but I think people misattribute that frustration to playing against fake cards or overly competitive players.
Basically, has anyone had these stereotypical magic experiences with proxy haters or sometimes "if it's not midrange it's toxic" players with anyone who was good at the game? I wonder if the common complaints are just a result of people playing at completely different levels of mental investment into the game. For example, I had a great time playing against a winter orb bc I enjoy leveraging limited resources in games like that, but a casual player may just see that they're not allowed to untap more than 1 land a turn and quit bc they can't cast their big exciting top end spell that they came to use.
TLDR: are common complaints heard about magic players just the result of mixing players with different levels of enfranchisement?
Posted Mar 14, 2026, 6:24 AM UTC