I'm finally ready to invest. Would love someone to look over my plan and give some advice.

Sorry for the super long post, but this is one of the most important decisions of my life so bear with me! thanks for reading :)

A little backstory: I'm a 20 year old graphic design student living in Denmark (Europe).

Back in 2010 I volunteered to help a local non-profit project that organised rap tournaments in troubled areas in order to bring people together about something, and to give the kids something to do in their spare time (A lot of crime in our country is due to boredom and... "lack of personal goals" I guess..). I became the photographer. I always liked to take pictures but I never knew how much I'd actually love it. I didn't knew anything about event photography back then so I sucked..

Fast forward to now. As the project grew to become the biggest national hiphop tournament for kids/young people (Denmark is small, mind you), I've become much better. Although I still have much to learn.

In the meantime I've had several small-time gigs (including a wedding oh god why), and my pictures have been featured in various newspaper. I also get paid now, even though I've never asked for money because I still believe in the project and I did volunteer.

Mind you, all this was done on a D90 with a kit lens that was provided by the project. Now I want to invest in my own gear and become more serious about my event photography. I have gathered many connections in my time at this place and I believe I have a good shot.

In addition to that I love nature and love landscape photography. I want to take portraits too, for fun mostly. I don't have monetary expectations. I want to do this because I love to do it. I'm currently studying and graphic design while working freelance on the side, and that will probably always be my main source of work. I don't want to rely on photography for a living, although being a capable photographer will certainly be a plus in my line of work.

Now lets talk about GEAR:

I've been researching cameras everyday since October. I've asked questions in 20-30 of the question threads, and I have probably considered every single camera as my budget and ambitions have slowly been defined. Suddenly, because of very fortunate circumstances, my budget has now risen to ~ This is what I'm planning to get: (Criticism is very welcome)

  1. Nikon D610
  2. Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 (If things take off with my event photography, I'll also get the 70-200 f2.8)
  3. 2x Sandisk 32GB Class 10
  4. Lowepro Flipside Sport AW 10L (I'll be biking and hiking a lot with my gear, this bag is not meant to carry manual flashes or light stands)
  5. 2x NIKON EN-EL15 (Spare batteries)

Edit: The lightning is mostly for portraits, not necessarily for events.

  1. YONGNUO YN565EX (For on-camera TTL flash)

  2. 3x Yungnuo YN-560III (For off-camera manual flashes)

  3. Yungnuo RF-603 (For radio control and camera trigger)

  4. 3x Lightstands

  5. 77mm Hoya NDx4 (Not sure if I should get this or the NDx2 for shooting wide open (2.8) on a sunny day - advice needed)

  6. 77mm Hoya NDx8 (for long exposure)

  7. 77mm Hoya PRO1 Digital Circular Polarizing filter

  8. Lots of diffusers and reflectors. I haven't really looked into this yet.

  9. I'm not sure about the tripod. I think I'll find something in-store. I find them very hard to evaluate without handling them, but I'm very open to suggestions. I'll be buying everything local, if possible.

In addition, I would like some advice on how best to transport all of this as 1 person. I haven't seen any backpacks that seem capable of carrying 3 lightstands and all this other stuff.

This is it. I would love to get ideas, criticism and advice - on the gear and what not.. Thank you for reading, I really appreciate any help I can get! If everything goes well I'll make the purchase in February.

Posted Dec 22, 2013, 3:14 PM UTC · edited

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meh109•

Not a pro. I'm a hobbyist with similar equipment and been shooting seriously as an amateur since 2004.

You look like you have a well thought out kit and know what you want to do.

I have a Nikon D300 with grip, 2xSB700, 1SB800 and 1 Yong Nuo flash.

I would make the following suggestions:

  1. Consider buying Nikon or Metz flashes. Maybe more expensive now, but will last you longer in the long run. YN flashes are notoriously unreliable. I have one and it's pretty cheap. I have it around for a 4th light or as a kicker light.

  2. I have a separate bag for my 3 lightstands. Generic one from a camera shop. I thing a snowboard bag or short ski bag would suit the bill for the lightstands. Impossible to find a backpack that would carry all your camera and lighting gear, tripod and lightstands in one package.

If I'm shooting with lightstands, it means I'm bringing my modifiers (light boxes and umbrellas) - they go into my lightstand grip bag. The flashes go into a shoulder bag and my camera and lenses go into backpack. I suppose I could consolidate my lights and camera into a rolling suitcase camera carrier.

Honestly though, if you plan to travel with lights, ditch the light stands and bring some Manfrotto Super clamps, Nano clamps or Justin Spring Clamps. Easier to carry and setup then lightstands.

Don't underestimate how heavy this stuff is. Might be okay for a couple of hours, but carrying it for a day or a week is going to really drain you.

  1. Consider buying a vertical battery grip. Not necessarily for battery life, but will improve the ergonomics of your camera and make it easier to shoot in portrait orientation. I was surprised at how much more I shot in portrait orientation after I got my grip.

Hope this helps!

Happy shooting

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ManBoner•

Yongnuos are notoriously inexpensive, not unreliable. Mine have worked flawlessly.

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pornthrowaway8480•

They're great for off-camera flash, I'd still rather have name brand for on-camera though.

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ManBoner•

I won't disagree with that. My on-board is a Canon.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

I will definitely consider all of your suggestions. I have never shoot with a battery grip but I'll try one in store. I don't really see myself "travelling" with my entire gear - just taking the bus/train to my locations, but I get your point.

I'll probably just get a dedicated lightstand bag.

Thank you for your suggestions!

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cloudrocket•

I agree with #1 here and would like to voice my support of it.

Yongnuos are nice to have as backup but certainly not as main lights.

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meh109•

Forgot to add.

Read bythom.com and his article on buying a tripod. A tripod can last you for the rest of your shooting career. Maybe best to spend the money at the beginning vs constantly upgrading.

I'm happy with my 190xprob and Manfrotto ballhead for what I shoot...but really serious shooters have carbon fibre Gitzo tripods and ballheads with Arca-Swiss plates for the ultimate in stability.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

best to spend the money at the beginning vs constantly upgrading.

That is exactly the point of this. I don't want to upgrade anything anytime soon. I will not cheap out on the tripod either. I'll take a look on that website, thanks!

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dasazz•

That's a very sound plan, I don't have much to add. I can comment on carrying lightstands using public transport. I carry two lighstands and a collapsible reflector as well as umbrellas. I carry the lightstands in the bags in which they were sold. You can easily fit umbrellas into these bags which is why I chose them over oth er modifiers. I also carry my camera, some lenses and the flashes etc. This fits into my backpack.

This is the absolute maximum that I would carry that way, backpack and two largish shoulder bags. You become an obstacle and get caught on seats etc. It is manageable though. With three light stands? Would be too much for me. If you opt for the snowboard bag you might lose the backpack. It might be possible but it certainly streches the limits. Superclamps or Justin clamps are a way better solution while losing some flexibility.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Thank you! I don't plan on carrying all of my lightstands with me everytime, but I want 3 at home.

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OPWC•

You know more than I do, but as I understand it, event photography is about dimly lit environments and catching the moment. Given that, I like that you're focused on a fast lens. You might be able to get in to a faster prime lens, too.

I'm really curious why you're doing so much off-camera flash, though. For example, when you're in a pit at a concert they don't allow flashes at all, do they?

If you're going to focus on events and nature, you can skip the flashes, stands, reflectors, diffusers, flters...

Except a tripod, for nature stuff that's vital. I started with a modest metal Manfroto and ballhead. I'm doing travel photography more these days so it's carbon-fiber or nothing.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Very good points. A fast prime would be good, but I can't limit myself to a single focal length, and changing lens in the middle of a party is insane and slow. I also can't afford a second body (yet). I trust the f2.8 will be good enough with the great ISO performance of the D610.

The flashes are not for event photography, but for portraits. Compared to the rest it is little added cost so I thought what the hell.

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ManBoner•

An 85mm f/1.8 isn't very expensive and would prove to be useful for portraits. You should consider that at least.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

It's cheap yes, but not a priority. Besides, the 24-70mm f2.8 takes beautiful portraits :).

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OPWC•

That's the prime I had in mind. I guess that lens is "the one" for weddings these days.

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ManBoner•

I use a 35/135 combo. I'd probably pick an 85 if I could only have one.

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OPWC•

One thing to add... if you're moving around a lot on your shoots, get a good camera strap. I like the BlackRapid RapidStrap RS-7, but there are others that all beat the stock strap hands down.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Yeah I thought about looking into a nice strap. Thanks for the reminder!

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tylerm99www.six4photo.com•

I think you've got a great gear list here. I wish I had started out the same way.

The Yongnuo flashes are a good choice as long as you realize they MAY be less reliable. It was a chance I was willing to take based on the price difference.

I'll echo everyone else and say get the absolute best tripod you can afford. I went through 3 shitty ones before growing a brain and buying a good Manfrotto.

As someone else mentioned, look into superclamps, bungee cords, and a roll or two of gaffers tape. Really handy for mounting flashes and modifiers and. Much more portable than light stands. Gaffers tape is handy for tons of stuff.

Not sure what your post processing and computer situation is but a good backup solution will save you a lot of headaches. Whether you use cloud storage or a portable hard drive that you store off site make sure you have COPIES of your work. If you store it somewhere and then delete the other copy that isn't a backup anymore.

Have fun and enjoy your new gear!

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Thank you.. I'll look into alternative ways of setting up the strobes. Could save a lot of weight!

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anonymoooooooose•

I have no specific advice, but I wish you good luck and it's nice to see someone doing their homework.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Thank you! I like to make informed decisions :) Especially when it comes to this much money.

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trackpetewhoispete.com•

This seems like a pretty comprehensive kit, but I'm not sure I understand why you're buying a lot of it. The lightstands and extra strobes are great for large scale posed shoots, but will be incredibly difficult to manage or set up at an event. What's your expected use for those? (same for diffusers and reflectors)

On Batteries: Don't forget to budget a couple hundred bucks for a LOT of Eneloops (I'd want at least 8 per strobe and four per radio controller, so that's 8x4+4x2=40 eneloops minimum) and a charger that can charge 8-16 of them at once. Also, if you do a lot of event shooting, two spare batteries won't cut it, especially if you have two shoots back to back. I'd go with at least three spares and a spare charger so you can charge two at once.

On SD Cards: If you're going to do a lot of serious shooting, it's worth investing in higher speed UHS1 cards. I believe the D610 is UHS1 capable at ~50MB/sec, and if you buy a USB3 reader you can get higher speeds transferring to PC. You just missed out on Sony's sale for their 94MB/s cards, which I highly recommend. Transferring 30GB of photos to your PC in 5min is way better than taking 25min to transfer them, even if you don't care about the slightly faster write speed in camera.

On ND Filters: Unless you are shooting video at 180 degree shutter, you won't ever need an ND filter at f/2.8. I shoot f/2.8 at 1/1000 to 1/2000s at iso400 to 800 all the time in the day, if it's not super sunny I'll often need to crank my iso up even more at f/2.8 to get a high shutter speed. ND filters are for filming at 1/60 or shooting at f/1.4 with a ton of sunlight.

On Yongnuo: I've shot well over 10k images on my 568EX and well over 20k on my 560II. Even my Neewer TT560's (cheaper knockoffs than Yongnuo) have been rock solid reliable, aside from feeling a bit lower quality. I would NEVER buy a Nikon/Canon strobe when I can buy 3-10 Yongnuo's for the same price, honestly I don't understand how Canon still makes money selling strobes. A couple posters have said Yongnuo's aren't reliable but if you continue spending time reading forums and reviews this doesn't seem to bear out in reality - the big difference is if a Canon strobe goes bad, you're more likely to get it repaired.

Transportation: I have a big square duffel bag that fits a ton of stuff. On some shoots I'll put my camera gear inside with a sling and just wear the duffel like a backpack, on bigger shoots I'll wear my camera gear backpack and just carry the duffel. Bonus, the "core" gear (stands, lights, extension cords, duct tape, etc.) always sits in the duffel in the closet. Alternatively a good 85L backpack that has side/front access (not just top access) can work no problem.

Now That You Have Gear: Don't forget that if you're using this stuff to shoot professionally, it may not be covered by your home insurance policy. You should budget for insurance. Don't forget to budget for cloud backups, storage, editing computer, calibration devices, etc.

Good luck dude!

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Wow! Thank you so much! This is exactly what I Was looking for. There is a lot to think about here. Good thing I still have almost 2 month to figure it out :) thanks again!

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Ubunttu•

Have you considered a trigger + flash that can handle HSS, instead of using ND filters?

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

The D610 can't do HSS as far as I'm aware.

edit: Well shit it can. Its just called Auto FP. Thanks! I didn't even knew that!

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Schneiderman•

IMO good choice on the camera and lens for the budget. I've been using a D600 and the older 28-70mm 2.8 and it works great for concerts. The autofocus could be better (especially since it is courteous to turn your AF Assist OFF for concerts) but it hasn't impeded me.

This focal range works great for on stage and in the pit, which it looks like you have access to. Any further than right in front of the stage and it starts getting too wide. Had this problem problem once when the venue decided not to provide a pit for one show without telling anyone, I had to shoot from way off to the side. The resolution of the D600 and sharpness of the 28-70mm still let me get usable shots after cropping but I wish I had known in advance to bring a longer lens.

Here's one of my favorite shots with the D600/28-70mm combo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/108947704@N02/11499487993/lightbox/

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Thank you! Looks great.

Really I'm planning to cover a lot of smaller events (My city has a huge underground scene that I plan to explorer) but I appreciate the insight. Eventually I'll probably also cover this kind of events.

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LorryWaraLorry•

This looks alike a solid setup to me. The increased ISO performance of the D610 will make a marked difference in your photography since that is gig/concert's photography main problem (lack of light, that is). F2.8 is pretty decent for now, but you may eventually want to invest in a faster prime, depending on what focal length you find yourself using most (so hold of for now).

I also second meh109's suggestion on getting an original Nikon flash as your main light instead of the YN. The YN ones are excellent value for money so you may still get the secondary ones from them, but for reliability get a Nikon one.

Re point 5 on the Hoya NDx4. I am not well versed on ND filters since I hardly use them, but 2 stops seems like a minor difference, so the NDx4 is a decent choice.

Tripods, get something decent even if it costs a lot of money. I've had like 4 tripods now and all are broken or really shit in windy weather, because I payed less than £50 for all of them. I still haven't bought a new one but my next one is definitely going to be a decent one for a bit more money. So probably buy something decent (Manfrotto or the likes) from the start if you got the money to avoid having to pay the same amount twice.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind.

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FrostyPhotographersantrizosphotography.com•

I would check out the Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC, It's about $500 cheaper, it might have some slightly darker corners, but it's a great piece of glass thats almost as sharp as the canon opposite. Then invest that $500 into a good 35mm, 50mm or 85mm. I would go 85 if I was you, you wanna have an extra piece of glass. I have the Tamron 70-200mm vc and it's a great piece of glass, barley a difference to the L counterpart.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

I don't see how downgrading the lens I'll use for events will help me. I can afford the best tool for the job so buying a lot of secondaries isn't very appealing to me.

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FrostyPhotographersantrizosphotography.com•

Yeah it doesn't sound appealing till someone elbows your only lens. Back ups for everything, unless you are pixel peeping, you are hardly going to notice a difference.

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Devario•

Something to consider- the 24-70 2.8 is 1800 dollars+.

Nikon also has a 28-70 2.8 for ~1000

and a 35-70 2.8 for ~4-500.

Perhaps you could use up to $1300 for something else? 2 extra stops of light from a 50mm 1.4 could mean a lot (that's 4x the light than a 2.8).

Personally, I purchase gear through necessity; I only upgrade when I find that my skills fall short due to a technicality (for example, ISO from a full frame compared to crop).

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

I just don't see how downgrading the lens I'll use the most help my event photography. I don't have a second body either.

Personally, I purchase gear through necessity; I only upgrade when I find that my skills fall short due to a technicality (for example, ISO from a full frame compared to crop).

Thats also reasonable, but I have the money, so I don't see any reason not to get the best. When I eventually end up upgrading I'll just have wasted money.

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

I appreciate your comment but it feels like you think I've never had a camera in my hands before. I pretty much disagree with everything you said, but then again your suggestions are the complete opposite of mine which are primarily based on my own experience (and research).

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SovietKOP6D | 24-70mm f2.8 | flickr.com/photos/124950128@N04/•

Allright.. Again I really appreciate it I just don't agree. With my experience with event photography every second counts, and if I see a good wide shot is there and I have a long prime on my camera I'm fucked. I'll probably get a 85mm at some point, but right now it is not a priority because I think the 24-70mm takes good enough portraits for me, and I plan on getting the 70-200 as my next anyways which is also a fine portrait lens. I might miss out on 1.8 but I think I'll be fine.

And yeah, I love working with 3 light sources thats why I'm getting so much light :) Besides its not a lot of money in the grand scheme.

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