[Spoiler extended]Jon Snow's relationship with the Starks souring in the futur?

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Despite season 8 being hated most agree that D&D atleast got the characters's endings right or that they came from GRRM(King Bran came from GRRM so we can say the same for other characters and there is the argument D&D dosen't have the guts to come with the "Mad Queen" and Tyrion still getting a tragic ending while being Hand of the King)and most agree that Jon will get exiled in the end and join the Wildlings in the end

Exept I wondered in the Show it's was shown as a punishement made by the Starks so if part of George's plan was "Jon dosen't go to the far North voluntarly for X or Y reason.the Starks exile him forever from Westeros as a punishement and make him the Richard III for their Tudors" the Problem the Starks care for each other a lot and "The Lone wolf die but the pack survives" so something must have soured their relationship with Jon to become neutral/Apathetic toward him and willing to use him as a stepping stone for their glory

One argument to what could sour Jon and the Stark relationship is him becoming King Of the North with Sansa and Bran feeling that their right was stolen from them and they along with Northern lords like the Manderlys influencing Rickon to hate Jon and see him as their personal Daemon Blackfyre.The only outlier is Arya who will most likely support Jon knowing how much she love him

It's could also be him selling out the North to Daenerys like in the show but personally I doubt the "bending the knee" will happen,Which is literally betraying the North to their worst enemy(Reminder Aerys the Mad Rhaegar and Targaryens killed the Starklings grandfather and Uncle, ruined their father's life)Or it could be him marrying Daenerys if the Snowstorm theory is true which again may be seen as a betrayal to the North and Jon choosing the Dragon over the wolf,But I doubt the North is that stuck up,and if Dany end up to the North like her ancestor of the same name(Daenerys Daeron II's sister)end up being for Dorne she may be liked by the Northmen(Also it's another scenario were Arya could potentially be an outlier knowing she is a huge fan of Nymeria and named her Direwolf after her she would probably like having Nymeria's descendant as sister-in law, and if they end up meeting in Essos(if TWOW ever releases of course)and end up friendly it's may count as a factor too Also I personally doubt she will pull a "we don't need foreign allies" in the books)

Or it's could be his status as an undead lich king,in their point of view Jon Snow is dead and what standing with them is just a brutal caricature of the person they called a brother(this one it's could also lead with his relationship with Arya souring especially if she interact with Lady Stoneheart)

Or it's could be learning about the Mutiny at Castle black were they start only seeing Jon as an oathbreaker that was rightfuly executed and hate him just like Ned hated Jaime for killing Aerys(this one I really doubt)

Or it's could be his brutality and pragmatism post resurrection and being more "Targaryen" reached new peaks that they think for the best of the North and all of Westeros he have to go(We already see fractures in his relationship with Samwell for exemple because of the Baby switch]

Or they could start seeing Parallel with Daemon Blackfyre and Catelyn's lessons and warnings about him start ressurfacing

Or it's could be him being revealed as Rhaegar's son and a Targaryen(Again the people who ruined Ned's life)that would end up making him "Not part of the Pack" especially if post Resurrection he become more "Targaryen" personality wise

Or it's could be their personal journeys that made their relationship with Jon sour,Bran after getting influenced by Bloodraven only see him as a pawn or a Targ to get rid of,Sansa spending time with Littlefinger(and possibly Lady Stoneheart)start only seeing him as a rival and an usurper of the throne that belong to her,Arya spending time with The Faceless men hardened her and made her apathetic toward Jon,and Rickon get influenced for his young age by either his siblings or The Northern lords that dosen't want a Targ to steal their North

Or it's could be Jon having a bad interaction with Jeyne Westerling(Their sister in-law and Robb's wife,Queen Dowager of the North)and they choose their family over the Half targaryen

Or it's could be all of those factors combined along with some others

What else do you think may end up souring Jon's relationship with the Starks to the point they are okay with exiling and getting rid of him?

Posted May 28, 2026, 10:49 AM UTC

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