Pictured: the vegan reply to my original comment & my (removed) response, my reworded (yet also removed) response in an effort to comply w the rules but still point out the lack of logic or even just consideration for others, my message to the mods regarding the rule & what seems to be their own hypocrisy, my original comment that got removed MINUTES after my message despite having been up for TEN HOURS prior without issue along with the “3 day ban” (NOT A “Ban trophy” post, I don’t even know wtf that is but it sounds stupid imo, just adding for context/weight) and finally my last message to the mod team of the subreddit. Also, if captions are required for photos or someone simply wants them LMK, I can edit the post & add them or at least reply to someone w them, not sure if I’m able to add them in app on individual photos tho & don’t want this post longer than it will be)

So! 

There’s what happened, & I am genuinely confused. Now, perhaps the following statement isn’t allowed but I’m not necessarily WHOLLY against veganism BUT! When I say that, what I MEAN is that there ARE logical vegans (just RARELY online) as well as vegans who consider themselves “harm reduction vegans” or something of the sort which essentially boils down to “reduce participation in the wasteful capitalist industries by buying local, including meat & byproducts” bc they recognize that the consumption of meat & animal byproducts isn’t inherently “immoral” but instead view the “immorality” to lie in the corporate approach to acquiring these things. 

With that being said, I’m genuinely starting to have a “I hate (online) vegans” position because… well, as my first message to the mods says, wtf is “speciesism” & how is this aggressive “by the book, chronically online” vegan approach NOT also a form of “speciesism”?? Are my spouse & I similarly stupid to think that they’re being hypocritical with trying to claim all forms of meat & animal byproduct consumption as immoral when they themself are a part of an omnivorous species and portraying themself/selves as “spokesmen” on the topic? 

I mean… it’s simple fact that not everyone can be vegan due to health issues, not everyone can handle a vegan diet & then supplementing the nutrients lost via vitamins & such, PLUS! Don’t even get me started on the colonialism & racism in this specific form of veganism on top of the mentioned (albeit unlabeled) ableism. 

If I am missing something, feel free to lmk, but even after tryin to be like “no no, step back & look at it all critically & logically without involving yourself &/or your emotions” it just feels… well, illogical, on the vegan’s side. 

(And I get that maybe I’m coming to a “BOO VEGANS ALWAYS!!!” Space & asking if I, a non-vegan, am wrong in a discussion against a vegan/veganism, as well as potentially out of line with my following request, but I don’t really want this to turn into a “boo all vegans” post, I just have no idea where else to go to be like “hey… am I being ridiculous or is this as illogical as I think it is?” Without high chances of getting jumped by a bunch of vegans with the exact same perspective.)

Vegan logic (or lack of)