Mother series alternative universe theory

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[WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE SERIES]

So as we all know, Beginnings takes place in America while Earthbound is in "Eagleland" right? What if >!Giygas went to another universe to try to become a deity? Beginnings obviously takes place first and then 2 right after. What if Giygas used the Apple of Enlightment to prevent another child from defeating him? Giygas considered Ninten to be a family member since Maria raised him and even offered to join him before he tried to take over the earth. Even in the ending of 1, Giygas says; "NINTEN! We SHALL meet again!". Which leads to him leaving and you can tell the song drove him mad with power and he misses Maria who is dead.!<

The reason I bring up America vs Eagleland because they're suppose to be a parody of the United States and we all know that Ninten and Ness look very alike. They're very similar except for their personalities and powers which leads to my other point aka >!Ness is an alternate version of Ninten although the two are different people since it's well. An alternative universe lmao. It also explains why Ana and Paula/Lloyd and Jeff are very alike but still have different temperaments. Canonically Ana and Paula saw Ninten and Ness in their dreams (possibly because of their PSI powers/spirituality but that's not the main point) and both of them clearly love the two boys. Ana also flat out confesses to Ninten that she loves him vs Paula being too shy to tell Ness that she loves her!<

As for Giygas, he >!tried using the Apple of Enlightenment to see if his plans would succeed.... Until the apple tells him that he's destined to lose to the Chosen Four. Which leads to another point. We all know Porky stole the Phase distorter so what if he also time traveled to steal the Apple from Apple Kid in the future? We don't know who originally made it although it would make a lot of sense for him to make it especially since Buzz Buzz comes from 10 years from the future and I would imagine Apple Kid would've made his own shelter and to warn Ness.!<

Another reason I bring up the Apple since>! it probably did not foresee Porky since he was originally not with Giygas, so the Apple did not forsee him. It also makes the "catastrophic event" in Mother 3 make a lot more sense because everyone knows that Porky is the main antagonist of 3 and leads to the event of the game. Porky's Japanese script also explicitly says that Ness and the gang went 80,000 years to the past though he's not the most reliable narrator lol.!<

As for Mother 3, >!The Cave of the Past from 2 and the seventh needle area look very similar structure wise especially the point that leads to the final needle/Giygas. Lucas also pulled more needles than Masked Man did and the ending has the characters saying that a miracle happened and everything is okay now. So that leads to Lucas being able to reset the world with the Dragon's power. And in said ending, Claus and Hinawa don't talk during it, so the world reset managed to make the world peaceful again but in my opinion, I don't think it would've brought back the dead. !<

Another notable detail while not 100% canon is how Brawl >!has a story area called "Ruined Zoo" and in Beginnings Ninten does go to a zoo to find the Monkey's melody and Smash is essentially more Mother content so lol. !<

This theory does explain why there's so many similarities between several characters/npcs and why >!Giygas says things such as "Ness..." and "I'm... Happy..." He genuinely lost his entire mind and thinks that Ness is Ninten because he was so power hungry. Giygas also genuinely loved Maria and was heartbroken when George stole the PSI research and brought it to Earth. He let his hurt feelings overcome him which explains why we wanted to take over/destroy the world. From what we know from the dialogue, Ness canonically saved the universe and Giygas tried to become an Lovecraftian deity since he let his hate and hurt emotions take over, he wanted to kill Ness because he was so hurt about Ninten and him ruining his plans on Earth and singing Maria's song. The series has always been about outside influences such as Porky turning into a delusional monster after dealing with abusive parents though he has a sense of humanity in him keeping Ness's Yo-yo. They both are characters that caused their own problems and letting hate overtake them. Both of them had chances to redeem/stop what they were doing, but... Obviously that didn't happen lmao.!<

Which leads to the final point... Ninten is Ness's Dad

Posted Aug 12, 2026, 8:20 PM UTC

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