Is Charles Koch “Un-American”? Let Thomas Jefferson Decide
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ourfuture.orgPosted Apr 5, 2014, 12:32 PM UTC
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ourfuture.orgAmerica today is un-American
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"Un-American" in a post title will always get downvotes. That's a meaningless buzzword.
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The GOP loved it in the 40's and 50's! And it saw common usage, even had a House Un-American Activities Committee. Wonder what made it so unpopular? :) ed:sp
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and 60's thru 80's, and again in the 2000's after 9/11...
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Yeah..Damned Hippies! And who was it in the 80's..I forget..
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fucking Ronald Reagan was all about calling someone unamerican if they disagreed with him. That guy was a slimeball.
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You're absolutely right about that.
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Generally, we're not allowed to change the title.
But this is Saturday. So someone could do a self-post like "do we have a name for destroying American self-determination?" and refer to the article.
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What about George Soros?
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What about him?
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He has donated 10 times the amount of money to various democrat candidates as the Koch brothers have to republicans. Why don't I hear or read about everybody up in arms and bashing him? He has been doing it for much longer as well. I am sure he expects something in return for all this money.
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I bet you got that "data" for the Koch Bros Funded Site right? Ten times as much? Really? I would think a thoughtful man would really support Soros... You can read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
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Ok, so almost 10 times as much. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html
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Koch cookie cutter legislation reduces your ability to pay for quality education, relative to the rest of the world, robbing you of a future.
Does... "Soros" fund legislation to cut aid to education the way the Koch brothers ALEC has?
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Do you expect anything less from r/politics? it's proven to be one of the most bias groups on reddit. It's a disgrace to objective news. For example here is a list of campaign contributors but most people in this sub don't want to see facts like this.
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I know, I told myself not to even waste my time. I didn't listen to myself again. I guess deep down I still hope that liberals will finally understand how the people they vote for to fix what they think is wrong, are the ones responsible for the problems in the first place. I think all hope is lost....I think I need to stay away from r/politics and just go learn Chinese and get one of the 4 government approved men's hair cuts.
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what rights are the democrats trying to restrict right now?
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Through the IRS the Democratic party subverted the right to free speech and the right to a free and fair election. The elected Democrats are running on subverting the right to keep and bear arms. The Democrats' policy of redistribution denies the rights to private property.
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Many Americans have adopted Jeffersonian management of money, maybe it wouldn't hurt to hear from someone that actually knows how to manage it properly.
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Sequed right into "Jefferson management of money"...clever. I wonder who we could hear from who "actually knows how to manage it properly"? You think Clinton would be willing to explain things again?
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If Hillary can get the US economy going the way Bill got the Chinese economy going, we'll be in great shape. (j/k sort of)
I think Hillary with a pub Congress (like Bill) would be a good thing for the US economy.
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Silly man! Walmart got the Chinese Economy Going! Buy American! Remember? Clinton's Economic Policy didn't earn one singe vote from the GOP...and a Split Vote in the Senate needed Al Gore's vote to make it all happen. Even today the GOP "thinks" it knows how to run things...Never happened! The GOP is a party of Myths!
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The Clinton budget was a good one. NAFTA/GATT and then giving China permanent trade was bad, but likely inevitable.
...Sam Walton was playing catch-up. Sears, Kmart, Target, and JCPenney all had established procurement networks in Asia long before Wal-Mart arrived. Wal-Mart's decision to arrive unfashionably late was deliberate, according to the retired executive. "In going to Asia and then into China," he said, "department stores always beat us. A lot of people were there long before we were. But it was part of the strategy to let them go through the initial tortures. [Wal-Mart would] step in when all the groundwork had been laid."
So by the time Wal-Mart opened its first buying office in Hong Kong in 1981, "manufacturers were already very competent in Taiwan," said Gary Hamilton, a professor of sociology at the University of Washington. "There was already a high level of confidence and responsiveness that allowed Wal-Mart to rapidly expand."
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maybe it wouldn't hurt to hear from someone that actually knows how to manage it properly.
It hurts if the Koch-ALEC decide and the people don't get to decide.
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Stop with the one sides bias of campaign fiances. Both democrats an republicans recieve millions of dollars from individuals and campaigns. and if your going to downvote me becuase you hate anything that makes democrats look equal to republicans then at least post a reply.
Edit: Here is a source of campaign contributors
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Here's something to think about. If the GOP didn't rely on huge sums of money for elections, then the Democrats wouldn't have to. For too many election cycles..the Democrats ended up in a gun fight with only a pocket knife for protections...They'd lose. And why are you worried about down-votes? I'm not even sure I've read any of your posts before much less down voted them. WHO wants campaign finance reform and who doesn't? As to the one-sided bias I have to go back in time ...and leave you with this: “If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
Adlai E. Stevenson
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It's a fact that both parties receive large sums of donations from organizations and individuals. source And I'm not worried about downvotes I'm just expecting them becuase anything that shows republicans and democrats on the same stage will always get downvoted. I just prefer people reply then just downvote. And that quote has nothing to do with how bias this sub is, which has been shown numerous times to be true. News should be objective and rationale. It isn't on either side And it's also proven that both parties lie about each other, both are corrupt and deceptive. I will leave you with this quote from President John Adams, "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." Our problem isn't republicans, it's the partisanship system under both democrats AND republicans.
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No one will argue that point. Politics today is a money game, either you raise or fold and go home. Here's a little secret...NO Party can play without money, not the Tea Party nor the Libertarians etc...It's the Rule.. As to the NEWS being objective and rational..sure, Wouldn't mind seeing that...but when you print the news with objectivity the next thing you know, you're being accused of having a "Liberal Bias" and Organizations pop up to "monitor" Networks and you get announcers fired and you see the Growth of things like FOX NEWS... Not only Adams was concerned about the rise of "factions" in American Politics..it's almost natural that they should...what is necessary to fear is who controls those factions. Our problems are most certainly Republicans! And attempts to say otherwise is merely CYA propaganda.
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This was David Brooks point yesterday on NPR. He felt money needs to be channeled back into political parties.
But I don't see how. I see only that we must have a social movement that says we have rights and will not or will no longer be ruled by 590 unelected individuals.
If we want to fund college tuition as we did before Reagan, that is the choice of the people. Not the choice of ALEC. The Koch method of 'narrow-cast' funding does not work for America and America needs to move away from it and tell them to back off.
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Our problems are republicans AND Democrats. The and part is important. And objective news can be taken subjectively by both parties, it's not just an issue for one side. The division of our political system through partianship is the core of the problem in politics, that and corruption. And both sides are responsible for it. Saying anything else is the true propaganda. Don't be deceived by poltical parties and bias news organizations. They both use deception, propaganda, and strategies that are untheical. That is a fact.
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I agree. But it's not just how much money. It's the mechanics of entrenchment defined by the Koch brothers to reduce American self-determination.
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The Kochs will have end up in exile and the sooner the better. As a Nation we showed the Tories the door and should point that exit out to those who don't like our Democratic Republic unless they can call the shots.
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“I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
I think we need to get inside and in front of words like "un-American."
When we defeated the British Empire we wouldn't accuse them of being un-American exactly. The problem with the Koch brothers is the same thing: they may want to diminish our country as a whole. Or not.
But they don't want Americans to decide. They want to decide for us, and in the process reduce Americans economic and political power at the same time because they can't put themselves in the shoes of an American who is 30 years old and still has college debt. They can't put themselves in the shoes of an American auto worker who gets paid less than 50% of what a German auto worker gets paid.
And they can't put themselves in the shoes of those who go to the polls, even vote for one party and the other party gets "elected" through Koch-ALEC gerrymandering as happens in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and the Koch's favorite: Wisconsin.
Their money doesn't just win elections. Their money controls the process that obliterates elections. They have turned themselves into the British East India Tea Company. Their Tea Party is literally the party who favors the British tea company...
I say we deal with them like in the good ole days
History doesn't give good examples of the Rich and Privileged stepping down and aside for the sake of progress without first having noticed something disturbing the air near an ear, be it a stone, stick, arrow or bullet. These Billionaires will not listen until it hurts not to. Somehow, someway, something is going to have to happen before they snap out of it and realize their egos and greed can do them harm. Maybe someone could get a message through with a homemade drone...just buzz by the compound and drop a note saying...YOU"RE NOT LISTENING!
However, history does have a lot of not-so-nice examples of how the rich and privileged were dealt with successfully.
And then it has Theodore Roosevelt!