I apologize if this is already well-known, but I was curious when the loot from Horadric caches is determined. When you complete the act and get the bag or when you pop it open? More specifically, can you farm caches on one character and open them on another to get the benefit of smart loot on that character? Thanks!
Posted May 6, 2014, 2:34 PM UTC
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Posted by Lucx:
To my knowledge, cache contents are determined when your character receives them, not when they are opened.
reply by blue:
This should be the case. However, bear in mind that smart loot drops are not always guaranteed, even from Horadric Caches - there's still a chance the items within do not roll appropriately for your character, though the chance for that is fairly low.
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Items found within should be dependent on the Horadric Cache's acquirer if they roll smart loot, and the Difficulty in which they are acquired or opened should have no bearing on the loot produced.
This would imply that the cache loot is determined when the cache is awarded and not when it's opened. Anytime anything else happens, that would be the rare exception because it wasn't smartloot.
Please enlighten me otherwise if I'm mistaken.
I know there seems to be a bunch of contradicting anecdotal evidence here so I would suggest just trying it out with a few caches yourself (run some quick normal bounties) and note any findings.
My small sample size suggests two things: the items will have the same level as whoever earned the cache and that the items will be smart rolled to whoever opens the cache. Again, those are just my observations based on a small sample size take it as you will.
Loot table is determined on drop based on what act and difficulty you are playing (difficulty only effecting gems and bloodshards I believe). Items roll stats based on character opening them.
The level and class takes into account when the cache is obtained, what items come out isn't determined until it's opened.
No, you're wrong. You got it kinda backwards there buddy.
Cache is obtained: Level is taken into account, and items are determined.
Cache is opened: Items that were determined upon award are rolled (smart loot is active for the OPENING character).
"-This process works with all items below level 70 base requirement excluding lvl 60 torment items. In addition, while Kadala is certainly efficient, the same results can be reproduced with bounty cache. The way loot rolls in a cache is determined by the level and class the cache was obtained, however, the exact loot in a cache is not determined until it is opened." via http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12674727740?page=1
Been referenced by the guys over at diablo.incgamers.com. Much rather believe this than some rando kid, sorry buddy.
Tealdawn isn't God. He doesn't know everything, and he certainly doesn't know everything about caches. I and everyone else in this thread have PERSONALLY farmed Caches on one toon and opened on another. It rolls the properties based upon the character who opens it, not who obtains it.
Also: Did you even read the article? Although he's wrong about the class of who obtained the cache, he's right on the other parts. The level of the item is determined by the character that obtains it. The loot is also determined. The exact loot means the properties the loot will roll.
If you still don't believe me, in the previous paragraph he talks about how a game has a certain loot table for a game. Kadala and Caches work the same way, that they will only give you items that are on your loot table that game. If you were to open it in a different game, you'd still get the items that were on your loot table the first game.
I've definitely obtained cache's on a crusader and opened them on a witch doctor and all of the items had intelligence.
Same for everything in game, it is created the second you see the bag. Not when it's opened. Smart loot is determined on the char it is earned on.
Smart loot is determined by the character who opens it. Try it yourself.
You're wrong.
Their content rolls on award; smart loot attributes rolled on open, as per opening character. Opening them on higher difficulties has no effect.
Thanks!
I thought smart loot was also determined upon award, is there any proof/source?
Because I thought if my int char gathers numerous cache and I open then with my dex char, they are still majority int items. The only items that would be anything else are the 15% of items that didn't smart-roll.
Class-specific items can't roll mainstats other than the stat for that class. If you run on a Wizard, and a Cache drops a Wand, it's always going to have int (or no mainstat).
Granted, I haven't opened a whole lot of Caches this way, but a majority of the items seem to be smart-rolled for the opening character and not the character that got the Cache.
I believe the only addition to note is the item level is based on who earned the cache (example: a level 70 WD farmed a cache, a level 60 DH opens it will find all level 70 gear).
Sorry you got downvoted, as that's all correct.
With caches it seems that smart loot is applied on open based on the character that opens, and not award. No idea about blue sources but the proof is my own experiments.
About a week ago I farmed hundreds of caches for a RoRG with my WD because my WD is my fastest character.
I opened all of my caches with my new lvl 70 crusader because I wanted a STR RoRG.
I got a STR RoRG and all the cache items rolled with STR(ie scepter of skeleton king had STR, pauldron's of the skeleton king had STR, bracers had STR, etc)
And then there's me who only plays 1 character, DH, with no alts at all and I get an Int RRoG. Why blizzard!?! They really want me to roll a WD or Wiz don't they?
It may be intended to be determined on award, but my experience strongly suggested that caches' loot is determined by the character that opens them.
I've farmed ~500 bounties on my DH for my witch doctor, and do not remember picking up a single legendary with dex/DH stats. There was some WD-appropriate stuff I've destroyed/forgotten, but I have gotten 3 maces with int, 2 shoulders with int (one with a WD skill), two witch doctor helms, a pair of vambraces and a golden gorget (both with int not dex).
Here is a blue post confirming that the smart roll for stats is determined by the character opening the cache:
Nevalistis on Horadric Cache smart roll
Thanks!
EDIT: wait, what did I just read?
Doesn't this imply that the items ARE determined by the one who RECIEVES the cache and not the one who opens it? what am I missing here? The poster says that "determined when the character receives them, not when they are opened." and the blue confirms this with "This should be the case."
We know that items that aren't smartloot are the exception but which exception are they?
Int char earns cache, dex char opens it, the item has dex because it wasn't smartloot for the earner and it was a coincidence.(the exception?)
Int char earns cache, dex char opens it, the item has int because it wasn't smartloot for the opener(the exception?)
I'm still confused.
The items in the cache and their level are determined when the cache is earned. The stats on the items are determined when the cache is opened.
What you read was a reply in context. Neva's reply was to support the player who stated specifically that:
Nevalistis further goes on to elaborate and states things we already know: That smart loot, by design, has a small chance of not activating (I think it was quoted as 15% or thereabouts). So what Nevalistis is saying in TL;DR fashion is: This person is right, but smart loot sometimes won't smart loot.
as answers to this post alone we have two completely contradicting statements. don't trust people!
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Followup question - if you are inside of a rift at the time of award (someone else completes the 'talk to tyrael' event), would that increase the chance of legendaries being generated in the caches?
Hum. That's an interesting question. I don't think so, but I am not sure.
I tried this with having several caches while in a rift; it doesn't help (although I did get a legendary, but that's because I had ~10 caches with me).
the content is not rolled on award. its rolled when you open them based on the loot table that is generated when you create the game. many people have tested and confirmed this with hundreds of caches.
Well I meant bag contents without properties are rolled, but if you meant a wizard is more likely to see wands and so forth, I could believe that. I can't say I've noticed. I've seen it asserted that the legendary status of the items is pre-rolled, although I can't fathom how anyone would know that.