6~ min queue time on EUW, 5pm. Matchmaking working as intended!
Posted Jun 26, 2014, 2:19 PM UTC
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u are not even at 7k mmr like everyone else on reddit, i would be ashamed if everyone could see that im only a 6k trash
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Radiant MMR = 21483. Dire MMR = 21528. Total difference = 45 MMR. Looks balanced to me.
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Sure buddy. Clearly you've never played in one of those kind of games.
This game was actually balanced but 99% of those games are decided by luck and what hero the 6k picks.
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this is what pisses me off with internet trolls. I agree with you 100% but gl convincing the 7k mmr reddit players in here!
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Wooo now slow down as a 10k MMR person myself I see where he is coming from and why he's upset.
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yeah this shit never happens at 50k mmr
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Would you like some cheese and wine while you are here? Only on reddit do you see people at 6k MMR complaining that they had a balanced game and won.
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I'm complaining about the system. I'm not sure if you're serious or not..
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you cannot win with these people
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do you have down's syndrome?
just kidding you're porbably just one of those 3k players
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LOL
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But they had WK to "counter" you so i'd say MM did a pretty good job given the circumstances.
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It's not very fun on the other side of the coin either, you actually learn very little getting absolutely stomped by a 6k player in your lane. You learn to become a better player by playing people better than yourself sure, but the difference is too colossal to learn anything substantial. You need to be able to put up a little bit of a fight at least.
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Yeah I agree, but the chances of it happening to a 3k player more than once are insanely low. At 6k this happens once every couple of games..
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I was in a match like this (it was actually unbalanced between team's combined MMRs, I was given a nice 37+ for the game) I was safelane with 2 supports vs a 5k+ player (semi-pro player actually) that went aggro-tri. I learned more that game than I have in a long time, and was probably my favorite game I have played.
I've done 1v1s against much higher rated players and I was always stomped, same goes for regular games where the 5-6k player was very mobile/snowball heroes like storm, tinker, QoP, ect. It certainly is hard the majority of the time, hard to learn anything as well, but I feel like it depends on the game and the high rated player's hero pick. Only games that I didn't learn much was when the high rated player was snowballing.
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hah
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Hah, jesus christ. I mean, it's pretty common to get games with 4x 4500 mmrs and a 6k, but I've never seen a game with such a huge gap before. I thought EUW has more players than other servers too?
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ITT people trying to justify having 3k people being matched against/with 6k.. yeah cause it would've been completely balanced for a 3k to go against a 6k at mid lane or something like that.
Damn you guys are so.. reddit..
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Everybody that doesn't understand the problem.. Taking the average reddit MMR of 3 - 4k, thats like you being matched with 1.7k mmr players, when you're 4k. Or with 700 mmr players when you're 3k. Sounds like hell right? You'd have feeders/scrubs on your team that have no idea what they're doing. This is the same skill gap.
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No idea why people are getting angry at you OP.
I guess they're just jealous? I'm not 6k myself but I'd be annoyed too if I had to play with people that are far below me skill wise.
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Oh look, Earth Spirit picker complaining about matchaking!
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:D
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Is this sarcasm? Looks like a good game to me.
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we need new MM system or EEL or something, i'm done with the current ranked MM , u either get retarded team or you are against retarded team, ranked needs to have only CM as game mode. period.
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Find a new game, because dota is very snowbally and pubs are gonna turn out that way at almost all levels.
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How can you be a 6k player AND have the lowest XPM/GPM on your team, and then complain about your 3.8k team on Reddit?
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I played a solo roaming support?
Also I'm not complaining about my team, they were pretty nice and listened to everything I told them (when to push/back, items, lanes etc). Sure they were bad but it's not their fault I got matched with them. I'm complaining about the matchmaking that allowed such a thing to happen..
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If the skill difference is as HUGE as you stated, the difference in numbers should also be noticeable. Playing a roaming support doesn't excuse you for having the lowest GPM/XPM. Sure, some of the heroes on your team had innate farming advantages like Doom Devour/Midas but everyone on the team has relatively the same kill participation. Thus, the GPM/XPM states that the rest of your team was moving around the map more efficiently than you.
Now, I haven't watched the game so maybe you were captaining your team hard and giving them the space they needed. You probably know best but if you weren't doing those things, then I don't see how your map movement is better than a 3.8k player really.
Just my 2 cents.
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Oh god. I'm sorry but your 2 cent's are completely fucking retarded.
I don't even.. Like, what the fuck?! Why would I need an excuse for having the lowest GPM/XPM? Why is that a bad thing? I was playing a SUPPORT. I did not farm. I spent my entire mid-late game warding, dewarding and standing behind my teammates to save them/counter gank.
Mirana was solo easy lane against a melee lane.
Necro had midas.
Doom is doom and he had midas.
Sky was solo mid, and he is the kind of hero that get's solo kills so obviously he has high XP, gold not so much because tbh he failed.
The GPM/XPM states that the rest of my team was farming while I was doing what a support does.
Now, I haven't watched the game so maybe you were captaining your team hard and giving them the space they needed. You probably know best but if you weren't doing those things, then I don't see how your map movement is better than a 3.8k player really.
Obviously I was doing those things, this is what a support does.
You're telling me a solo support shold have better XPM/GPM than the rest of the team?
Oh well. I'm sorry to say it but there is a reason I've 6k mmr and you're still in the trench, you simply don't understand the game.
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You're telling me a solo support shold have better XPM/GPM than the rest of the team?
Yes, ESPECIALLY if you're 6k mmr and you claim that there's a HUGE skill difference between you and the rest of the team.
Why is that a bad thing? I was playing a SUPPORT. I did not farm.
How is this a 6k player mentality? Just because you're playing a support doesn't mean you're allowed to get away with not farming. Look at your item progression, the only reason you won that game was because your team farmed their items and the enemy team made no bkbs. Against a good team, you wouldn't have won that game.
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is maybe you aren't as good as you think you are.
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"I didn't watch anything and all I have are a bunch of assumptions based on a final score screen, but obviously 6k = 4k!"
You really can't put down a person's skill just because their stats aren't crazy. Every game is different and some games just don't go the way you'd want them to, this applies to all skill levels.
OP is entirely right, the system can be a joke sometimes, as it seems to forget that just because both teams have the same average mmr does not mean its going to be a fair game - in reality, it just ruins the fun of the highest skilled player there because its almost entirely decided by them how the game goes.
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6k guy play WK, a carry, a broken hero, LOSE
6k guy play ES, nerfed, a support, WIN.
When redditors said that to gain mmr you should play a mid/carry.
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Actually ES is just as op, but yeah aside from that you're 100% right.
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Shhh... people don't need to know he is OP, let his WR stay low and in the back of people's minds so I don't have to play against him.
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The guys on his team are ~3.8k, hardly 2.5k shit tier.
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You need to learn that stats dont tell anything. You can screw them easily by killstealing or afk-farming.
I feel sorry for this guy. Im already annoyed when I have to play with people 600 points above me that fuck me up, he has to play with people that barely fit into the very high bracket.
that game was fair mathematically, but it sure was frustrating as fuck.
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XPM and GPM aren't everything. Sometimes you have to play in such a way that your team wins, but the numbers don't always do that role justice.
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Since when does anyone ever complain about supports having the lowest xp/gp minute?
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I played a roaming support..?
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Clueless 4k mmr posting on reddit.....
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Why are people saying this are supports suppose to be on top?
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Relatively balanced game that went on for 45 min,where's the problem?
You can't imagine how frustating it is to play like this. The skill difference is as HUGE as they come.
Well you are up against another 6k player, you're probably frustrated that it was harder than necessary which is your fault for not picking a core hero like the other 6k player.
Is he supposed to know he's playing with people 2k MMR below him?
Actually I can know by checking the top live match games and looking at what page I'm at.
1k, 2k
It doesn't matter for him, 99% of the time he'll be the highest mmr on his team. And he'll always face a player on the enemy team equal of his mmr.
Awh, I don't think me playing a carry would've made it easier. If I was playing a core my team would've lost all lanes. ES can roam around and win all lanes if the game is going well.
My bad, not a core necessary, but a high impact hero.
It seems you did have impact, but with ES it's team reliant.
True, why should he be allowed to have fun? He should pick cores every match and go mid, since he could be matched with significantly worse people.
Holy fuck, 6k to not even 4k is so huge, that match had to be really really sad
you can have fun in non-ranked games
in ranked you have fun by playing a strategical game with few mistakes by you or your teammates, not by picking bloodseeker and running around with dagon and arcane boots typing "bloodcyka" after each kill/death.
^this
retards like you dont understand how horrible it is to play with people actually worse than you by a lot. it's a waste of fucking time.
Damn,Dendi,i will be cheering for you at ESL tomorrow.
thanks, cyka
honestly, you're a fucking idiot. there actually are people at high ratings that get matched with people >1k below them and it's not fun at all. we don't think we're fucking Dendi
this guy is not very smart if he thinks the difference between 4k and 6k isn't abyssal. i'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. queueing with friends more than 2k rating below myself is pretty unfun for all players involved
The game is obviously trying to match you with 6 k players,but if i can't find enough,it will do as good as a job as possible.The system balances TEAMS,not individual players.
When ranked was introduced,it was impossible to get matches like in the OP,the system would always wait for full 2 parties around similar ratings,you know what the result was ? Queue times of 30-45 minutes,which resulted in everyone moaning about it,and Valve changed it,now let me guess,more moan threads.
Go play inhouse if you don't like Valve's system.
telling me there isnt a game of 5ks???? doubt it