/r/interestingasfuck gets hold of a comic on 1984 & Brave New World - you can guess where this is going

Yet again, redditors jerk on the "truth" of what seems to be the only two books they read from their highschool reading list.

This comic may appear an extreme oversimplification of both novels, as well as a melodramatic view of modern life, but if you think that you're sheeple, as many redditors are keen to point out:

Why does it have to end with "Huxley, not Orwell was right"? It's very clear today that BOTH Huxley and Orwell were right.


And what is most terrifying is that they were both right.


I would say both where on the money to an extent. Huxley was right that we wouldn't need to ban books, but there are still censorship committee's like Orwell feared. While neither thought the others predictions true, they seem to work in tandem in today's western society.

To continue the jerk, we have complete misunderstandings of the book's message:

How is Brave New World not a Utopia? Everyone loves their lives, or at least 99% of people who do. The people who don't? Well they get to go somewhere and have exactly what they want too. It's been years since I read it, but that's what I took away from it.

While at least this comment suggests something a bit different, (though personally I wouldn't describe a world in which humans are genetically engineered to be inferior epsilons and then psychologically brainwashed to love their capitalist society as a utopia,) this comment merely sets up the next masterpiece:

Because, man, the people can't, like, think for themselves. They're told what to do by the government, man, it's like a horrible fascist dictatorship. It's pretty ironic, it seems to me like the people who are most adamant about how horrible BNW is only feel that way because they don't know how to think outside of their conditioning, their current context. A world where no more progress or freedom is needed than the status quo scares them, because they've been so conditioned to think of progress and freedom as the ultimate goals.

The counter-contrarianism is almost too much for me to understand - people don't understand how conditioning is good because of their conditioning which conditions them not to like conditioning?

More contrarianism:

There is the erroneous assumption of the inherent value of reading. We are told by reading that a literate society is superior to a non literate one. The problem of cultural control by publishers is ignored. A literate society is chained to the past , unable to develop new ways of thinking and adapting to the world.

The anti-English/humanities jerk taken to its pinnacle, it is best to be literally illiterate.

All I remember is nigga kills himself at the end

Of course, we can't miss out on the use of a random racist slur, because the last thing this thread needs is less edge.

if you reference either book (less so for BNW), you are mostly dismissed as some nutjob nerd/tinfoil hat weirdo.

I'm sorry Reddit, but you are just not special for reading 1984. It is terribly famous, popular piece of literature, reading it does not make you a "nutjob."

It's both... as long as you stay docile and continue to CONSUME and remain passive you don't get beat on. If you stand up or become a source of discomfort for the entrenched power elite you get beat on.

Something told me that this commentor was a teenager who spent all his time playing video games indoors, yet writing comments about sticking it to the MAN. However never one to make baseless, stereotypical accusations I did a little profile snooping... and yes, he spends all his time in gaming subs and r/adviceanimals.

And finally, the comment which made made me close the thread:

Orwell was actually a good writer though, Huxley was terrible. Have you ever read A Brave New World? Huxley actually included in his "Master work" the phrase "orgy porgy"

I honestly have no words.

Huxley wrote like someone still in high school. Orwell wrote like someone who had been doing it his whole life. Lets see here, Huxley had a Brave New World.....and that's about it as far as people know.

Translation: "I don't know any other books that Huxley wrote because his only book reddit ever mentions is Brave New World."

Christopher Hitchens wrote "Why Orwell Matters" not why huxley matters

I feel like I've been taken in by a very elaborate troll.


Fortunately there are quite a few comments from reasonable people in the thread calling the original comic out for the bs it is, but the amount of redditors STILL jerking over 1984/BnW is frankly amazing.

Posted Jun 29, 2014, 6:44 PM UTC

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TSA_jij•

I hate the whole "Orwell was right (not talking about communism lol)" attitude

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youre_being_creepy•

I read the comic and thought that Huxley was closer to today's society (at least in western countries).

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reaganveg•

You sure have to ignore a whole lot to get there, though. Like, BNW had irradicated all war, whereas NEF featured three major superpowers in a perpetual state of cold war. Today's society contains nationalism, riles people up for war with xenophobia and ignorance of foreign peoples, and produces radicals who want to destroy the system through terrorism -- all featured in NEF. BNW, on the other hand, where there is no human conflict, instead has its would-be radicals focus inward, seeking a nostalgic retreat into primitivism. That is also a feature of our world, but BNW fails to describe reality because it explicitly makes a point of the absence of the other things.

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I like how reddit seems to be really afriad of a brave new world type scenario yet theres the whole singularity jerk over on futurology were everyone is hoping that computers will be advanced enough to make eveyone forever in virtual utopias

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Bull3tM0nk3y•

The top comment on imgur was poking at that.

"Huh, I guess that Huxley person was right or something. -continues browsing imgur for hours-"

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wowSuchVenice•

And the second top comment on Imgur was:

What Lovecraft feared was the retaking of the human world by malevolent demon gods from beyond time and space.

I feel like I might like the Imgur community more than Reddit.

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Bull3tM0nk3y•

I do for sure. There isn't a consistent circle jerk, and paranoia isn't rampant.

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thrillmatic•

Right, but Redditosr are special snowflakes that are le smarter than the average Voice watching pleb. Watching League of Legend matches live on Twitch.tv is an intellectual stimulating endeavor, reserved only for the most militant of atheists.

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0rganiker•

Reddit is just a revolving door of new people discovering this comic, though this time it appears some panels have been removed

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A_BURLAP_THONG•

Mortal Kombat, Beanie Babies, and...Twitter? That strikes me as odd.

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freakanimals•

"The problem of cultural control by publishers is ignored". This guy has never taken a quality English class in his life. Or a communications class, or sociology, or anthro or any damn thing. Jesus, I'm sure even stem classes get into publisher control at some point.

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reaganveg•

Or Orwell.

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zaron5551•

While at least this comment suggests something a bit different, (though personally I wouldn't describe a world in which humans are genetically engineered to be inferior epsilons and then psychologically brainwashed to love their capitalist society as a utopia,)

Utopia might be a bit of an exaggeration, it is, it's also fair to say that none of the alphas experienced life as a beta and vice versa, so if each group was happy with their lot, whether this was product of engineering or organic, it seems to me that it's a lot better than what we have now. I actually think that was part of Huxley's point, that life could become so good that our values change and that's bad, for Huxley at least.

That said, this comic, and another really similar one, come up on reddit all the fucking time and every time I feel like most people know the plot of 1984, but haven't read it, and hardly anyone even understands the plot of Brave New World. Maybe it's just the fact that most of what I do outside of working, internet, and drinking is read, but I fucking hate it when people don't understand the books they claim to have read.

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EpsilonaeOP•

I agree, I think that the book plays with if induced happiness or total freedom is better, (John preferring the pain that comes with choice versus Mustapha's preference for the stability of his society,) -- I just believe that calling it a "Utopia because everyone loves their lives" is a wild simplification of the themes of the novel.

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Tolento•

Of course it wasn't organic, their lives were pre-determined for them before they were even born. A friend of mine from Iran was married off to a man she had known since they were children for the sake of furthering her father's business interests. She told me that it was not the marriage that pushed her to fly, it was all those other housewives, unable to drive, unable to walk to the shops without male escort; every woman she knew was on serious anti-depressants, do not even bring up abortions there. Truth is, Huxley May have created a world is happy, but that very happiness was artificial, created for the sake of societal hegemony, allowing the world controllers free reign to peruse their interests unhindered. It was the savage who shed light on the world's errors, their flippancy for man's drive for advancement, replacing it instead with artificial contentment.

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youre_being_creepy•

Does anyone else (DAE LOL) think that subreddit name is stupid? Not everything has to have the word "fuck" in it.

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Passwordistaco23•

no fuckin' way man, you take your fuckin' words and you put that shit in a sentence, brah! And then you gobble your 2AM Chili the fuck down your throat and take your portable shower and rub that shit all over your body. feels good man

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[deleted]•

Nah it's a good descriptor word. I can't think of a better word for above really interesting.

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elos_•

Reddit has a pretty excessive love for cursing. Like it makes them sound more serious or something.

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stinatown•

The text of the original comic is pulled directly from the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Postman was a professor at NYU who founded the Media Ecology program (the concept that our communicative technologies create an "ecosystem" in which we interact--it's fascinating to think about). The book explores the increasingly blurred line between "news" and "entertainment," and the points he makes--even if you don't agree--are compelling.

Just saying. The comic is a vast oversimplification of the prologue, but calling it BS isn't really fair. The idea is still valid even after it's been hijacked by conspiritards.

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reaganveg•

Neil Postman's arguments about culture are quite sound, but this is still a terribly deceptive summary of Nineteen Eighty-Four. There was a hell of a lot more going on in that book than gets any mention here, and it was also not meant as a prediction.

(The same is true of BNW, although I think less egregiously.)

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sp0ck06•

A literate society is chained to the past , unable to develop new ways of thinking and adapting to the world.

lol this is just... what? One of the more absurd comments I've read recently.

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wearywarrior•

I feel really sorry for those kids that think Orwell and Huxley were "right". What sad lives they must lead to be so certain of this idea.

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HyenaDandy•

"There is the erroneous assumption of the inherent value of reading. We are told by reading that a literate society is superior to a non literate one. The problem of cultural control by publishers is ignored. A literate society is chained to the past , unable to develop new ways of thinking and adapting to the world."

So, did he... Put this down with his brain, or something?

People who are all for Brave New World are either not people who READ Brave New World, or people who don't understand the difference between "Happy" and "Satisfied." Big part of the book is the World Staters not understanding love. Look, I'm all for having sex with whoever I want whenever I want. But I'm also all for my two boyfriends, and the fact that I have two doesn't mean I don't love them and like that fact.

Also, that comic, yeesh... You can have choice and meaning to your life even if you like fun things. Also, that seems like a horrible explanation of the novels.

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reaganveg•

Ironic that Huxley addressed this very retreat into nostalgic primitivism in BNW.

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Mac8v2•

The comment is pretty dumb but was maybe onto something. People who read a lot, like me, tend to look down on people who don't and make assumptions about them.

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DoublePlusGood23•

I'm surprised we don't see Lotia talked about as much these books considering some of the past posts.

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Mac8v2•

Christopher Hitchens wrote "Why Orwell Matters" not why huxley matters

That is funny considering Hitchens wrote the forward to my copy of BNW and BNW Revisited.

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withoutamartyr•

Can they really both be right? They were pretty disparate visions.

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tsarnickolas•

To be fair, I wouldn't call Brave New World a Capitalist society. Notice that they seem to hold an awestruck reverence for both Capitalist and Communist figures. They worship Henry Ford, but simultanious name people in honor of Marx and Lenin. The point isn't to espouse one economic setup so much as 1. To point out that in such a vacuous culture, nobody is aware that these figures had beliefs completely at odds with one another 2. emphasize the one thing both systems share, a fixation on material wealth over the abstract and profound.

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alekzander01•

Hey, I remember your username from somewhere...

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ManWithoutModemMOD•

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alekzander01•

What is it then?

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