r/technology class-action privacy lawsuit: "I don't respect Facebook. Facebook doesn't respect me." - "take a stand to bring the company to its knees"
reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2chsob/faceb...Posted Aug 3, 2014, 7:08 PM UTC
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First world problems: Oh no a company showed me ads or told other companies that I like nutella. Someone please call the cops and the courts and the politicians.
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Uh, what's panicky about this? Facebook isn't your friend and really does need to die.
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks
--Mark Zuckerburg
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The panic is that people are complaining about a company that THEY GAVE DATA TO using the data in a way allowed in the terms and conditions WHICH THEY SIGNED.
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This kind of thinking is so completely backward people have even go so far as to make entire documentaries detailing just how wrong you are.
People didn't "sign" anything they smashed the "okay" button without reading anything.
Terms and Conditions May Apply
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical in anyway.
Edit: Sorry didn't mean to link to a rental video. It's now fixed. Go ahead, watch it.
And more to the point this isn't panicking this is holding a certain viewpoint. No point in panicking now the damage has long since occurred.
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People didn't "sign" anything they smashed the "okay" button without reading anything.
That is still their fault and their choice. I've signed leases that were not in my favor, and I could not just leave and go to another apartment just because I felt it was unfair because I signed a year lease. It's a binding contract. Sometimes you suffer the consequences of your choices and that's completely your fault and you have no right to complain about it.
Yeah and those documentaries are wrong. They make entire documentaries because they fail at making a simple argument. They have to create a whole propaganda video just to convince someone because they know that their argument is very underwhelming, not compelling and lacks evidence.
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical in anyway.
Just because something is legal and you don't like it doesn't mean it's unethical in anyway.
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I can't take you seriously. Obviously you didn't even bother watching it because if you had you would have seen the point they were trying to make. You're just as bad as any conspiratard just in the opposite direction.
Why don't you just just go back to to whatever circle jerky echo chamnery part of the net you come from, shut your mind, and jerk it with the rest of the douchebags.
Just because something is legal and you don't like it doesn't mean it's unethical in anyway.
Maybe, but what Facebook has done is completely unethical. That isn't going away.
You'd make a great used car salesmen. You'd hoc whatever piece of shit to anyone who was stupid enough to trust you and it wouldn't be unethical to you because they signed the contract.
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Facebook didn't do anything wrong. Period.
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Yeah, I'm sure a well respected boutique law firm in Austria and a finance company are putting their reputations and money (respectively) at risk just for the fun of it. It's almost certain they did something wrong, they pretty clearly violated Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament in transferring personal data from their Ireland office to their US office. The question will be whether they can benefit from the safe harbor provisions of some of the later directives. That wont mean they didn't do something wrong, it will mean that they're not liable for damages. I'm not really sure how you can know they qualify for those safe harbors given how complex that area of law is in Europe, particularly given that an Irish judge briefed by both parties seemed to think it was an unanswered question of law and referred it to the ECJ for its opinion.
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respected boutique law firm in Austria and a finance company are putting their reputations and money (respectively) at risk just for the fun of it.
As in every court case, there are two sides putting their reputations on the line.
I'm not really sure how you can know they qualify for those safe harbors given how complex that area of law is in Europe,
This is exactly why such laws are problematic, because it is so complex instead of logical and simple.
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None of this actually rebuts my argument that your assessment of the case is wrong.
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What the hell are you talking about? Facebook is a complete scumbag.
They sell everyone personal information to the highest bidder and hand whatever over to the government.
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Here's a tip: Don't give people information if you don't want them to sell it. Encrypt your information if you're so afraid.
The only exceptions are medical and financial records and phone conversations protected by specific laws and court rulings because that can lead to people using it against you.
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This is what I'm doing now, but beforehand I was ignorant to what was going on. I still resent companies like Facebook for pulling a fast one on me and almost everyone I know like that. They're scumbags plain and simple.
There's nothing to panic about here I just don't like them for what they are because they are unethical.
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Isn't that a really old conversation? From the days of "The Facebook." Also, I take it as self deprecating humor rather than a super villain revealing his dastardly plan.
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It is old, but I still think it's very revealing about the attitude he takes toward the personal info people have entrusted him with. I don't think that was a joke either. Long story short he's selling peoples personal info to the highest bidder. He doesn't give a shit about user privacy he cares a lot more about money.
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Uhmm, I don't really see where that's wrong. Facebook makes for a decent messenger and for meeting old friends, but I can't even see dumb "look at my new cat" statuses because everything other than my friends list is covered in ads or some company that is blatantly paying to show their update on my feed. I don't like their business model and feel it isn't very respectful of their users. Sure I understand ads, but the amount they show and the way they do it isn't exactly something I'm a fan of.
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The amount they show is nothing compared to websites of the 90s.
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Depending on what you count as ads. Sure they only have three on the side, but any page I've looked at, liked, or my 'friends' have liked shows up in my newsfeed. I get easily ten times more status updates from companies I don't want than from friends I may be mildly interested in reading.
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You can disable them though, I'm not sure what's angering you?
You do realize commercials/ads are important to make consumer choices sometimes?
What happens if you somehow restrict all that, and then they start paying your friends to recommend products/services to you. Will you be angry about that as well?
At some point you have to just deal with it.
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Or just log off.
And I don't mind ads, but I'm not making any exaggerations when I have around a hundred friends and I literally have to scroll past a hundred ads to see anything I use the service to see.
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The problem with these children is that they simply don't want to ever sacrifice anything themselves. They want facebook to change for them, because they don't want to quit it themselves. They want to remove 'corruption' from politics, without doing any campaigning themselves. They want their whole revolution, without ever leaving their front door.
If YOU want to use a free service provided by Facebook Inc., then you do so abiding their terms and conditions of use. If you don't want to abide by those terms, don't use Facebook. End of. What this is, is a bunch of kiddos who want to use it but don't want to sign that T&Cs.
ehm they are spreading news so people can take action in this lawsuit. If people engage, it is political/legal participation.
I left Facebook years ago. They are now on my list of things that I will boycott forever. I made that decision when I figured out what they were all about... I think you're perception is skewed in the extreme.
I don't really understand how you can boycott Facebook. It's a free service that you're not dependent on in the least--compared to food, medical/repair, transportation, communication...