[OS] "When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar..." - Tyrion Lannister [520x430]
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Posted Aug 17, 2014, 2:42 PM UTC
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There was recently a situation in Germany where the police were evicting refugees from a school and they wouldn't let the press talk to the evicted because they did not want the other side of the story to get out. It didn't help, it just made the police look tyrannical.
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Great Vice documentary on that.
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The U.S. is running into the same issue with whistleblowers. I thought that the next post on my feed after this one was rather poignant.
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Is it just a Republican spin to say the 'Obama Administration' instead of just the 'government' when saying something critical?
I'm English and my US politics isn't great, but to me it always sounds a bit propagandaish to call the government the 'X' administration.
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While I had no part in the semantix of the article's title, I do think it is a bit reductive to say this administration versus another. The practice of attributing governmental decisions to the current president is bipartisan. That said, Obama's record specifically, independent of party, has been far more aggressive in the prosecution of whistle blowers and the journalists who help them.
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Ah thanks. Like I said my US politics isn't great, and I can see how it may not be a Republican thing.
Still it strikes me that using the term 'X administration' as opposed to 'government' typically has ulterior motives, similar to how Prime Minister's can be represented here. I just wondered if it was something more party-biased as the US seems to be more polarised in its politics with the stricter two-party system.
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It's from r/conspiracy, it's total hogwash Greenwald is a sham of a reporter.
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Bull shit, they didn't let those "journalists" through to the refugees because they were actually supporters, smuggling food and water to prolong their illegal squatting.
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I just got to this part in "A Clash of Kings"! I love Tyrion, he's one of the few sane people in the story.
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I see me and you are working on it together. Such a great series
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Me three. Got about 150 pages left
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ehhh I wouldn't say he's sane
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Tyrions chapters in Clash of Kings are some of my favorites
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Me too!! I'm reading through the books for the first time. My goal is to be a "book snob" by the time season 5 starts.
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For now...
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Who is Tyrion saying actually this to in the book? Is it like the show?
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He says it to cersei, after she proposes to cut off the tongue of anyone who says that Joffrey is a bastard.
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Where ever whores go.
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The show's version of that scene lost so much of its depth when they cut out that line.
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What happens in the book?
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The ending to season four differs critically from the book. From here on out, there be spoilers
---STORM OF SWORDS SPOILERS---
First of all, do you remember Tysha? She was a woman Tyrion met when he was a wee lad and fell in love with. They got married in secret, but when Tywin found out, he made Jaime admit that Tysha was a whore he paid to sleep with Tyrion. Tywin then let his entire house guard have her, with Tyrion watching, before making Tyrion himself do the deed.
Now, back to the present.
Jaime frees Tyrion from his cell and, in the book, admits to Tyrion that Tysha was never a whore, that Tywin had made him say that. Now, it's important to note that Tyrion, while sublimely awesome, also has a bit of Tywin in him. This means he's not completely a benevolent character. With Jaime's confession, Tyrion in a fit of anger tells Jaime he killed Joffrey and storms off knowing he'll never see his brother again. Now, up in the Tower of the Hand, Tyrion finds Shae in his father's bed. In the show, she attacks him and he kills her defending himself. In the book, she is pleading for mercy and he strangles her. Again, not as much of a good guy in the book. When Tyrion confronts Tywin on the chamber pot, his main reason for being there is to find out where Tysha is. The memory of the woman he loved and lost is literally the only thing left to him at this point. Tywin blithely calls her a whore and Tyrion responds that the next time he calls her that word, Tyrion will kill him. A few sentences later, when Tyrion directly asks him where Tysha is, Tywin quips, "Wherever whores go." Tyrion then kills Tywin.
I won't spoil what follows in Tyrion's story line, but the search for Tysha is something that is now embedded in the book character's mind. Since the show really glossed over that, it's anyone's guess what's going on his head at this point.
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Was really annoyed when there was an entire book without Tyrion. Martin's making up for it in DoD though.
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In the show, she attacks him and he kills her defending himself. In the book, she is pleading for mercy and he strangles her. Again, not as much of a good guy in the book
This is true, but in the series they also added a scene where Tyrion sends her away, calling her a whore and an embarrassment -- which isn't how he actually felt, but she didn't know that. In the books, she apparently turned on him for purely mercenary reasons, and not only did she testify against him, she humiliated him on the witness stand with intimate details of their relationship.
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did they cut the fact Tysha wasn't a whore out from the show too? or did I miss it
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I don't understand why Tyrion confessed to killing Joffery, wasn't that Littlefingers work?
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Not sure how much of this story was included in the show, so I'll tell the whole thing. Spoilers for Season 4 of GoT and A Storm of Swords of ASOIAF.
In the book they talk about Tyrion's first wife. When Tyrion was 16 he got married to a girl called Tysha he and Jaime saved from bandits on the road. When Tywin found out, he told Tyrion that Tysha was just a whore, and had her sleep with just about every soldier in his army at the time while Tyrion was made to watch. Tysha was then sent away.
When Jaime busts Tyrion out of jail after he is sentenced to die, Jaime confesses to Tyrion that Tysha was in fact just a smallfolk girl (a crofter's daughter), and not a whore. When Tyrion confronts Tywin, Tywin keeps insisting that Tysha was a whore, and the mass rape a lesson for Tyrion to be learned. When Tyrion asks where Tysha had gone after the 'lesson' Tywin responds: "Where ever whores go." Which nets him a crossbow bolt in the lower bowels.
In the show, the Tysha story is given less importance, and Tyrion is made more affectionate towards Shae. As such it also has less importance in the confrontation between Tyrion and Tywin.
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Kinda reminds me of Harper and his muzzling of Environment Canada scientists. What is he so afraid of? I think we can all guess what that is...
HINT: it's black and gooey and has a penchant for making the world's thermostat inch upwards...
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r/conspiracy would like this. Great quote, great character.
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(insert anti-government comment here)
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Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden
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What episode is this from?
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book
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It's from aCoK...I'm not sure if it's even in the show.
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Tear out my tongue and I'll scribble in the dirt. Even mute men speak, have a listen.
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Well hello Clarice!
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Personally i thought the Lord Commander made the best quote so far in GoT. "If you want to lead someday, learn how to follow".
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Can we change this credit to George R. R. Martin?
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Circlejerk alert
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shouldn't it be by the author of the book not a fictional character?
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I would argue that, in order to understand a book quote fully, you need to know the character who said it. The author's name should be there too but the quote needs the lens of the character's experiences.
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when i confronted an ex-boyfriend on the emotional abuse he subjected me to for years and years, this was the sentiment he countered me with. "it wouldn't bother you if you didn't know it was true. i must be doing something right to get you so upset."
there's censorship, and there's bullshit. it's not hard to make people mad or to make them feel bad. it doesn't mean that you're right for them wanting you to lay off, but i imagine i'm wasting my breath expressing this on reddit. you would all love my ex
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It's pretty clear in this quote's context that the one ripping out the tongue has the upper hand on the one saying something. It's not just about making people mad with what you say. It's about those people using their power to silence you and thus giving your ideas validity.
The abuse you had to endure and this quote has nothing in common.
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r/TwoXChromosomes is over there ----->
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No, I'm pretty sure I'm just proving that you don't talk shit on me.
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I think that this is a sentiment that a lot of people need to internalize.
He is truly my favorite character, this quote cemented that.
He became my favorite character when he was constantly punking off Joffery in season 2.
Anyone who does bad things to Joffrey is a hero in my books.
When are your books going to be published and can I have one?
I love to telling people that Joffrey is my favorite character. The look of confusion and general bewilderment always makes me laugh!
I hate the little cunt. But I almost cried at the purple wedding
This quote for me. "Never forget who you are, for surely the world won’t. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you."
I love that one as well. I honestly relate to Tyrion a lot. That's probably why I love him so much.
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