First Solo Winter Trip

I'm gearing up for my first winter solo hike. 13 mile loop with the campsite at mile 9. Easy terrain, but if there is snow this will be my first trip with snowshoes. I'm practicing new winter techniques, aquamira instead of ceramic filter, esbit tablets instead of gas, and nalgene bottles in my pack instead of a water bladder.

What other problems have I not anticipated? I've got a zero degree bag on order and will test it out in my yard before heading out. If it isn't warm enough I carry one or two polar fleece blankets I have, and if it gets too cold I will cancel the whole thing.

I did a day hike yesterday, it started out 25, then warmed up to 32 and started snowing on me. My layers were perfect, just had to ditch my shell about half way through, so I'm thinking my only possible problems will be at camp. Preparing dinner, setting stuff up in the snow, sleeping with nalgene bottles in my bag.

So just looking for any and all tips about what might happen out in the woods when it's freezing out.

Posted Nov 17, 2014, 2:09 PM UTC

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bistromat•

As someone else mentioned, don't plan on using body heat to melt snow for water. While it might work, it leaves you no backup in case you start to get cold, and it exposes you to dehydration risk. Remember, when you get dehydrated, you get cold, and this creates the risk of a spiral. Carry fuel this trip. If it proves unnecessary, well, the worst that happens is you've carried some extra gas around. Melting snow for water requires a surprising amount of fuel -- plan on carrying at least twice the fuel you'd carry for a summer trip.

Remember that covering ground can be much slower and more fatiguing on snowshoes and plan accordingly. One of my longest days (and I've done 25+ mile days in the mountains) was 13 miles on snowshoes in deep, mushy, late season glop around Crater Lake. Brutal.

A hot cup of bouillon or instant soup, set up to heat while you're setting up your tent, is an absolute godsend at the end of a long day. That's my single best winter camping trick. Dry miso is essentially weightless, and your body craves salt at the end of a long hike.

A candle lantern in the tent is surprisingly warm as well as incredibly cheery. It sounds super goofy but when you're alone in the woods, cooking dinner 20' away from your tent in the dark, that candle will be the single prettiest thing you've ever seen. It'll also warm things up a little while you're cooking, especially if your tent is a reasonably cozy number (i.e., has little screen area). Use a carabiner or chain to keep the lantern at least 10" below the peak of your tent. Even with a heat spreader the heat can build up, and nylon doesn't like getting hot.

For low-degree sleeping bags you will likely lose more heat out the bottom of the bag than the top. Adding blankets on top will compress the loft, potentially just making you colder. Adding blankets underneath you will further insulate you from the ground, keeping you warmer. Down-filled Therm-a-rests are great stuff, but that said, I just use a prolite 4. If it's truly cold and you have good insulation, leave snow mostly unpacked beneath the tent with pine needles on top. The snow will insulate you somewhat from the cold earth below, as long as your body heat doesn't melt it.

And have fun! You're only out a little ways, so the risk is minimal. It's easy to treat solo trips as fraught, risky endeavors, but don't forget to have a good time, too.

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ryanbuckOP•

Lots of good stuff there, but my tent is basically a bivvy. I find my breath gets it about 10 degrees warmer than outside air, but it's only like 16" tall, so there is no way I'm putting any candles inside of it. However, maybe I will keep candles in mind when I choose my next tent. A buddy and I were talking and I mentioned hot tea would be awesome in the woods and he said "I'm thinking Hot Chocolate." I think he nailed it right on the head with that one.

So in the winter time are esbit fuel tabs a no go? I figured gas would be tougher to use so I was going to switch over to tablets. I honestly don't really want to melt any snow at all for water. That seems like an emergency type of thing, there is one raging creek and tons of potential streams depending on rain that I can use. That is where I plan on getting water. I'm thinking about throwing snow into my drinking bottle once or twice just to see what happens, but I don't expect it to add up to more than a few mouthfuls.

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SparkyDogPants•

Throw some peanut butter or straight up butter in your coco. One key thing to winter camping is amping up your calories and this is a tasty/easy way do that.

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ryanbuckOP•

Wow, you my friend are a genius. Brilliant.

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SparkyDogPants•

I regularly winter solo and everyone's advice is really good, the only thing I can think of is what type of sleeping pad do you have? The bottom of your bag isn't insulated and this will make a huge difference in your comfort that night.

Also if you're worried about getting cold with your 0, I use this liner if I'm ever nervous about temps. It also keeps your bag cleaner which is good.

Finally, the last thing I can think of is keep a pair or two of thick, warm socks in your sleeping bag and never take them out. These socks are only for sleeping. This way you will always have dry socks for sleeping which is pretty important.

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bistromat•

If there's nearby liquid water, then great! No risk there. The worst down side to the Esbit then is inconvenience. Iso gas is super convenient, but for winter use sleep with the canister in the foot of your bag. This will keep it warm enough to light well in the morning -- otherwise they get slow. The best option I've seen for winter camping is a liquid gas stove like a Primus.

On the candle, yeah, definitely not going to use one in a bivy. They're still cheery, though, and I find 'em nicer than a headlamp for eating dinner by. Heavy, though.

Hot cocoa is great. Don't forget the rum!

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ryanbuckOP•

Oooh, is alcohol and cold a good idea? I think on a solo hike I better just leave the rum at home.

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bistromat•

That's probably the best choice. A nip in your cocoa isn't really a problem, but I'd avoid getting ripped on whiskey and stumbling around. ;)

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BigBennP•

Oooh, is alcohol and cold a good idea? I think on a solo hike I better just leave the rum at home.

I would say it depends how cold.

When you get cold, your body constricts the capillaries in your arms and legs and keeps more blood in your core. It's a survival mechanism. This means your internal organs stay at the right temperature and you don't get hypothermic, but at the cost of cold, and possibly even frostbitten hands and feet.

However, Alcohol is a vasodialator. You feel warm because your blood vessels don't constrict as much and more blood is staying near your skin and in your extremities. (and because your senses are a bit dulled).

So if you drink alcohol, you will feel warmer, but your body will lose heat a little bit faster than it might otherwise, because more heat is leaving your hands and feet etc.

If you're well equipped and bundled up, the net effect is pretty marginal. A little nip won't hurt you, and it's extra calories (if you need that, I hike to lose weight and my body has all the stored fat it needs). You'll be a little bit more comfortable in your sleeping bag than you might have been otherwise, at least until 3am when it gets stupid cold.

On the other hand, if you're in a bad spot (if you get wet, or are undergeared for the weather) and on the border of getting hypothermic already, the alcohol can push you over the edge. Being solo obviously, you also don't want to drink where you're impaired, but that's more a case for only drinking if you're practiced and know how it will impact you.

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ryanbuckOP•

Maybe I will bring my old stove and fuel as the backup for the esbit. I have cooked meals in winter with gas, so I know it will work, the esbit worked fine yesterday in 30 degrees, but might not hurt to have both around. It's 1 overnight away from my car so I can ditch some food to keep my weight reasonable.

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yousaiditwasachip•

Keep a change of clothes and extra food/water in your car for when you get back.

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inheresytruth•

What I've found helpful in a snow camp is a small extra tarp or 5x5 square of Tyvek or something. Throw it down on the snow where you're camping or taking a break and it's a dry place to set anything down for a minute. A little dry area of cooking operations by the fire, a place to put your feet during a sock change, etc.

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ryanbuckOP•

OK, I did that once on a day hike, but never did it again. I can use my foot print for this. Do I need a foot print under my tent in the winter? If not, I can carry the same gear and accomplish this easily.

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inheresytruth•

I would say you should always use a footprint or tarp under your tent. So if you have one, you're golden on this procedure.

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ryanbuckOP•

Actually, my footprint is 1' wider than my tent, so I have to tuck it. In the winter I can use that 1' for all of the things mentioned, shoe changing, sitting, etc. I think that is a good compromise.

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biggyww•

I've got blue foam mat cut small for this during winter, one for me and one for my pup. Works well on top of snow. I cut it just big enough to sit down on cross legged, and that's just about as big as it could be to conveniently fit in my pack without having to roll it.

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cwcoleman•

Take a closed foam pad for sitting around camp. I always wear my 'snow' / 'rain' pants while hiking in winter - so I can sit anywhere without getting wet - I just need some insulation to keep my cheeks warm.

If there is enough snow - you can even make 'furniture'. Dig a ditch, sit on the edge and put your feet down in the hole - instant couch. You can get super fancy with this...

Booties also help a ton in below freezing temps. My hiking boots just don't insulate enough for sitting around camp. Standing on a second closed foam pad also helps, but down booties are just the BEST.

Practice doing things with your gloves on. Taking them off makes you cold all over again. Simple tasks like setting up your stove or putting up the tent is a bit different with gloves on - so takes a little getting used to.

If there really is enough snow... you'll want to compress your entire camp area. Post holing as you walk from your tent to the kitchen area sucks. First thing when you get to camp - walk around the entire area with your snowshoes. Press hard and compact the snow under your tent hard, multiple times. Then let it set for a few hours. The surface will become rock hard (and flat). I also flatten out a short path from my tent to a nearby tree - for those night time pee outings. Then you don't need to wear your snowshoes as you chill in camp.

When setting up your tent/tarp in snow - you need a shovel. Really - you need a shovel for a variety of reasons - but tent/tarp pegs are one major one. Ideally you will have 'snow pegs' that are wide / long to catch the snow for setting up your shelter. Set them deep to hold all night. In the morning they will be frozen into the ground HARD. You will most definitely need a shovel to get them out. Otherwise you'll be cutting your lines and leaving them until the summer hits.

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ryanbuckOP•

I carry a tripod stool so I have that for sitting on at camp. That's a good idea about snow pants though, I have a light pair, but I'm always worried they will be too warm and I'll have to take them off.

Never would have thought of the camp set up, that's golden, thanks so much!

What kind of shovel do I need. I carry a knife and a trowel, that's it. Never looked at shovels before.

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cwcoleman•

Something like this BB Snow Shovel is what I carry:
http://www.rei.com/product/874104/black-diamond-deploy-3-snow-shovel

The only problem with a stool is that the legs are going to punch through the snow. Not sure how long the legs are - but if they don't touch dirt - your butt will be sitting on snow. Right? Plus the problem with seats like that are they they don't have any insulation. All the heat from your ass goes right out into the cold night air. I'm sure it will be fine for 1 night - but that tripod wouldn't be my first choice for snow camping.

Oh yeah - gotta have something waterproof for hiking / sitting around camp. Slushy snow is the worst at soaking your body. Gaiters for your lower leg really come in handy for snow travel too.
True - it is easy to get overheated while hiking in snow/rain pants. All depends on the outside temps. Mine have full length side zippers - so it is easy to dump heat when I get too hot.

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ryanbuckOP•

Well, if I take a shovel I can shovel a big hole down to the ground for my stool. I will see about getting one.

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NurseSati•

Pack your nalgenes upside down. If they freeze partially or fully you can still get water from it.

I've heard multiple times people on here saying don't do the nalgene in the sleeping bag thing. Risk for it to crack and soak you in water. Hypothermia risk. But Idk that's just what I've heard.

Sounds like you are very prepared with your layers. If you start to sweat, stop and adjust your layers. Very important. It's incredibly easy for your core temp to drop quickly when damp.

Hope you have a great time!

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ryanbuckOP•

Wow, I cannot imagine rolling over on a nalgene and splitting it open, that seems so unlikely to me.

Great idea on the upside down thing, that's awesome.

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NurseSati•

Haha no sorry I didn't explain. If you put hot water/boiling into a space and close the lid down, the water steams and stretches the plastic and can crack. So it cracks from the hot/boiling water steam and pressure, not from rolling on top of it.

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ryanbuckOP•

Oh, I won't have any ability to boil 2 liters of water for that. I'm just looking to keep the nalgenes from freezing with my body heat.

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NurseSati•

Oh ok! Awesome. That's a great idea. Never thought of that. I've never done overnights in the snow so I wouldn't know. I just hear people saying that all the time is to boil water and throw it in your sleeping bag

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ryanbuckOP•

Upside down, love it, thanks so much!

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IANALAMA•

i carry a separate set of base layer, socks, gloves and hat to sleep in, especially if i'm planning on wearing any of those while hiking. try not to work too hard while hiking or around camp so that you don't sweat, it's better to constantly add/remove layers to regulate temps than it is to get rid of the chill from sweating and being wet.

you're going to want to account for the fact that you might have to melt snow to have water, so prepare to carry extra fuel and an adequate stove, unless you know there will be running water still.

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ryanbuckOP•

Well, I'm planning on wearing a nalgene on a rope around my neck just inside my coat. I will not have enough fuel to melt snow, so my body heat will have to do. There is 1 stream that will definitely be flowing though so that is my plan for refilling. In the winter I think 4 liters will be more than enough for 1.5 days of hiking, and I can supplement my daily drinking water with snow.

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cwcoleman•

A 1 liter nalgene on a rope around your neck? While hiking? Really? That sounds like it will hurt. I just tried that and it sucked bad. There has to be a better plan.

Something like the OR Bottle Parka is one solution, or you can make your own out of any insulating material.
http://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/water-bottle-parka-1.html

Eating raw snow is not effective at hydration. Putting snow in your water bottle will only turn your drinkable water into an ice ball. Consuming snow without heat is not practical. Although it sounds like you are taking plenty to start with and know of a guaranteed running source - so things are good.

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ryanbuckOP•

I didn't mention the size, it's not 1l. In fact, it's probably not even .5l. It's a nalgene brand sippy cup. I chose it because it has a big hole at the top for my string to go through. It's small and weighs nothing when full. I tested it out yesterday and I had no idea it was there. Especially since once I bundle my clothes and put my pack on, the cup is actually being held against my body by my straps. I'm not sure the string is holding it at all.

I did 8 miles in freezing temps yesterday in about 4 hours and this size was just about perfect. I didn't empty it out by lunch, then refilled it and had plenty left when I finished. I think this is a winner.

Also the temp of the water was always perfect. It was never even remotely frigid, so ice will never form and snow will always melt. I don't know what to do with that insulated bottle, just stick it in my side pockets? I thought long and hard about insulators and it just doesn't add up for me, they're just going to get colder and colder and eventually the insulators will be helping keep them cold.

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cwcoleman•

That works.

Insulators just slow the freezing of your water. If you start with hot water, it will keep it warm longer. I put hot water in mine before bed, put it in the parka - then it is still liquid in the morning. Or same with leaving the house - put in warm water as I leave and it is drinkable the entire day.

It really just depends on how cold you get. The bottle parkas really help when it is well below freezing, and overnight while you are still for a long period of time.

I do keep mine in my side pocket of my pack as I hike. Or sometimes in my pack if I have another option for drinking on the move (I take sports drinks because of the salt/sugar they freeze slower).

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ryanbuckOP•

I'm all over the fact that I shouldn't work hard, but why would I want to take my long underwear off? That means I have to get naked at some point in the freezing cold. I don't want to do that ever. Are you sure?

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IANALAMA•

i can take off my undershirt within a sweater or jacket, no problem. pull arms in, pull shirt off over head from within the jacket. bottoms would be done within your sleeping bag. practice makes perfect.

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ryanbuckOP•

My sleeping bag is a mummy, there is no way I can do this. I've tried a dozen times, it's totally impossible.

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IANALAMA•

sorry to hear that.

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always_wear_pyjamas•

I usually sleep in the long underwear I've been walking in. It's usually not so damp to make a serious difference, and it's nearly always dry by morning. If you want to dry it a bit you could walk around in it for a bit before going to sleep or something, you'll notice it steam.

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cwcoleman•

Food was one of my biggest surprises about winter camping. Everything freezes!

Basically - take your food bag and put it in the freezer overnight - then try to eat you food in the morning... it's the best way to test your kit.

Things I used to rely on for 3-season trips were flat out unedible. Cliff Bars become solid rocks. Frost/ice forms inside hard boiled eggs. Nutella is too hard to scoop. My boil-in-bags were too cold to eat by the time they were done reheating (so I discovered the coozy) Etc...

One option is to put food you are about to consume inside your jacket. Now this will make your clothes smell like food - so risky if rodents are around - but sometimes the only way to make foods soft enough to eat. Or just plan on using a stove for every meal.

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ryanbuckOP•

I actually did notice this already. I keep clif bars in my car, I grabbed one out of my trunk to eat just as I started hiking and it was like eating a cold piece of peanut butter tar. It took me a mile to eat the whole damn thing. However, that being said, I don't see any reason to avoid them, they're still a good food to take, I just need to either start doing pushups with my lower jaw, or the food in the pocket thing seems like a good idea.

So if food is freezing in my pack, will my two nalgenes also freeze? Yesterday on my test hike my 1 nalgene was beautiful, but it was only just barely freezing.

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cwcoleman•

Overnight is the main issue for food freezing (for me). While moving, after leaving a warm car, during the day, above 10°F - I haven't had a problem.

Waking up to a icy breakfast sucks though... and was my surprise. I just had to learn what freezes and what actually becomes better in cold temps. Hint... BUTTER!

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ryanbuckOP•

I used to think a hot breakfast was critical to a good day's hiking, but last summer was so hot I found clif bars to be far more appetizing. I think with winter I'll go back to prepared foods. A pouch of hot eggs and bacon will be an amazing way to start the day.

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[deleted]•

I keep my next bar in my front pocket, gets it nice and soft.

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cwcoleman•

I always like a hot dinner, rarely a hot breakfast or lunch in summer. In winter I take out my stove for just about all meals. It takes more time - but so does everything in winter.

Hot drinks are key. Not much better than sitting in a snowy campsite with a warm cup to sip.

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harakka_•

Have you tried Esbit out beforehand for your purpose? What kind of stove or other cooking solution do you have for them? My (limited) experience with them is that they're not worth the fish smell and sooty gunk, you need enough of them to actually heat anything up that you might as well carry an alcohol stove and a small bottle instead, with less smell and cleanup.

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ryanbuckOP•

Yeah, I've cooked with them a few times. Some meals take 2 cups of water and I find I cannot boil 2 cups with 1 tablet, but the ones that only require 1 cup are perfect. I don't mind the smell or the residues. My old cook system was probably over a pound, my new esbit is probably under 4 ounces total, fuel and all.

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ryanbuckOP•

What about crocs? I normally bring crocs with me, but that's going to cool my feet down a lot. Should I just keep my boots on until bed time?

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cwcoleman•

Most boots have little to no insulation. They are not going to keep you warm very long sitting around camp.

This is why I like down booties. After I get in camp and setup shop - I change into my booties until I'm ready to pack up the next morning.

Crocs would not be ideal in below freezing. Not at all.

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ryanbuckOP•

Well I have insulated winter hiking boots. They are warm if I keep moving but I've never sat around in them before. I agree crocs seem horrible, I will leave them at home and find some booties.

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fullstop_upshop•

Crocs are a bad idea. Down booties are the way to go. I have a pretty good pair from REI, but when I buy a new pair at some point I'm definitely getting Western Mountaineering down booties. They're great for walking around camp once you're all set up. I also like to bring a CCF pad to stand on top of for extra insulation.

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GoNorthYoungMan•

Brew some hot tea after dinner and put in a small thermos. Can be nice in the middle of the night or first thing in the AM.

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ryanbuckOP•

I am heading to the store tomorrow to get some hot cocoa, I think I will boil water in my pot then pour it directly into my little mini nalgene and shake it up. Not sure it will be a big deal, I'll just make a cup in the morning too.

I do love hot tea though, maybe I will bring a bag or two home from work to take along.

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